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This was posted on FB, curious what car may be, thinking perhaps '27 era Pontiac?
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Perhaps while we are at it we can try to ID the car on passenger side of Buick, mostly hidden by the Ford. Lower sloping windshield can be seen thru Ford driver side window, and part of rear roofline above Ford's rear sweep. Knowing overall sales numbers in those days, and move toward lower angled windshield (similar to the Buick), I'm guessing another early 50's Chevrolet or Ford!
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Alsfarms asked What Model Marmon do you have? I don't have a Marmon, a friend had purchased this set of wheels at a swap meet 40+ years ago and had no idea what they fit. I bought them from him 5 years ago as a possible option for a project I'm doing, the spokes hubs and rims were perfect, and only meaningful rust was on rings. Still haven't decided on a use. Apparently the numbering on back makes them 1929/30 Marmon I'm told. The hubcaps are Marmon, I have 3 as shown if anyone needs some.
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I had this set of Marmon 19" wheels powder coated 5 years ago, not yet installed. Was reluctant to try filing or otherwise dealing with pitting, so powder coated them as is. Not as shiny obviously as chrome, but a fraction of the cost. Paid $400 total for all 4 wheels and rings. No issue re-fitting rings to wheel, just carefully with 2 guys.
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Every time someone raises the "Suburban" reference it takes me back to the early 50's. While I attended and walked 2 miles to a rural one room P-9 school from 1951-1954, in 1955 the school closed and we were to be bussed 3 miles to a larger school. My Dad got a contract from School Board to transport about 15 students and with my Mom as driver, he bought one of these 1949-1951 era Chevrolet Sedan Deliveries which he and Mom referred to as a "Chevrolet suburban". A couple of home-made bench seats tossed in back (and removed on weekends when car was used for various errands) would allow 6 kids to sit in back and a couple up front. 2 trips would get the 15 kids there in perhaps 45 minutes of driving twice a day. Cannot imagine the parental outrage if someone suggested this today!!
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Always felt if you needed a big fancy lure, there was something wrong with your rod or ordinary bait. Most women, much like fish, still prefer the real thing.
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I think both the 1931 Chrysler CD8 (124" WB) and 1931 Chrysler Imperial (145"WB) had hoods with 33 louvers (see photos here, one of my CD8 hood, the second of an Imperial hood from internet). They also use the stainless steel center hinge like your photo. My CD8 hood is 41.5" long at center hinge (and 42.5" at sides)and on hood side there is 6.5" flat area at front of set of louvers and 5.5" flat at rear of louvers (so louvers measure about 30.5" end to end). The CD8 hood side has a single lift handle in center. Also note in pic that the CD8 hood lower edge has an out-sweep at rear to clear fender/chassis sheet metal like your has. The longer wheel base Imperial had a much longer hood, due to a larger/longer engine, and longer wheelbase. It also has 2 lifting handles, one at each end above latching mechanism. So this is likely a circa 1931 Chrysler Imperial hood.
By 1932, Imperials were using shutter doors in hood instead of louvers, but I do see some pics on internet indicating some 1932 models with louvers, possibly the earlier production. A further caution, for the 1931 CD8 cars, the Roadster hood was not interchangeable with the Sedan or Coupe hood as the roadster cowl was slightly different than the sedan. The Chrysler parts book indicates all 1931 Imperial models used same hood but by 1932, Imperial Coupes and Imperial Sedans had different hoods (no mention of Roadsters?).
So suggest if you want to sell this, offer as likely 1931 Chrysler Imperial Hood, give all key dimensions, and ask potential buyers to check the dimensions against what they need.
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Very close to crank for my 1931 Chrysler CD8, mine measures 16", 8" and 4" respectively with 3/4 shaft and the 2 pins. mine however has an additional 1.5" sleeve increasing diameter to 1" about 5" from pins.
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The visor-less car behind car in foreground appears to be 1932 Chevrolet Sedan like this fine example, and the Model T touring car behind it about early 20's, suggesting cars span about 10 years in age. . I'm inclined to think windshield is type that winds up into header like Chevrolet's VentaVision, rather than Ford's tilt-out. The larger car nearer building with twin side-mounts looks about 1930ish.
twin side-mount Sedan near building
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Photo from a local FB post, from the days when candidates were nominated to run for office by a party membership vote at the local hall. I think there may be a 1932 car in forefront (high wipers, no visor), any one ID something newer? or unique?Port Hood is/was a small rural town on Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia.
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Looks close to my 1931 Chrysler CD8 Roadster hood (42" long), but about 7" longer, so perhaps 1931 Chrysler Imperial?
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I would think any of these similar spacer/bushing type material will solve the problem. You should be able to make something similar to the CD8 ones from 1/2" copper pipe, or similar copper product that slips nicely inside steering shaft.
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Viv is right, there is supposed to be an anti-rattle bushing/spacer about 1/3 way down the steering shaft. Here are photos of the type used in 1931 Chrysler CD8's, made of copper, with the springy curled ends tightly gripping the control rod (note the springy area is much wider when on rod than when free of rod. I don't know just how they were assembled initially. I plan to simply slide my bushing onto the control rods at the same spot where this was initially (rod is discolored at that spot)and then carefully insert rods into shaft, using a bit of oil to lubricate. I may need to use a piece of stiff wire into gap between shaft and rods to help slide bushing into place. I expect it would work if even just a few inches down shaft. I haven't examined shaft closely, there may be a dimple or depression on inside of shaft that acts as a "stop" for inserting this spacer.
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And Tesla, and Genesis, and Honda and Toyota, and Mazda and ................So maybe somewhere between 2550 and 2600 is close enough....point is any list is only good up to the date it is printed.
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Xander, that Hudson is such a prize survivor, looks solid, complete, never banged up and interior in remarkable condition, and love the split windshield. A careful preservation approach in my view would be worth considering, your car is such a great testament to the quality and beauty of these wonderful cars. I would be figuring out how to deal with the surface rust in some method that could match the patina of the rest of the paint still there, although admittedly, likely cheaper to repaint than preserve . Looks like your "project cars" treasure chest is full!
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It is interesting to speculate on how the current "stock" cars being brought to the market place would perform in a real race like those held weekly on these old time tracks. Even if allowed to do some minor modifications (roll bars, basic safety measures, some performance tuning, stiffer suspensions etc) I doubt any could average 100 MPH per lap, and many not likely to survive 100 miles at top speed. The current crop of NASCAR (National Association for "Stock Car" Auto Racing) phonies can turn 200MPH laps but have absolutely nothing "Stock" about them. May be time to change their name.
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Today's Hemming's Daily blog has a nice article on the state of the Daytona Beach race track, and some great period shots. Lead photo is this wonderful picture of one of my favorite "stock cars", the "Fabulous Hudson Hornet". As a child in that era I remember my Dad talking to his mechanic and "car guys' friends about the big stock car races in those days being held in the USA, and in particular the success of the Hudsons. Perhaps it was the name "Hornet" that stuck with me, living in a rural area, I'd been stung many times by the little buggers. This photo in my view captures a rare time in automotive racing history, when "cars were cars and men were men", and race tracks were just a place to let it all out! Dig the clothes they wore, probably same ones they went to work in!
I expect there are guys on here who may have been at some of these events and know first hand the smell of gasoline, the sound of open exhausts, the sights of so many great cars and personalities, the taste of hot dogs and beer, and the joy of seeing their favorite cars duking it out. "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".
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A problem that develops with many patents like these is to establish just what is being patented. Is it some sort of unique concept (like the very low fender edge), or the shape of a headlight that creates much better illumination, or the incorporation of some type of special wiring solution etc etc. Usually when a patent is registered, the patent has a very specific description of just what is patented and banned from copying. For the above/PREVIOUSLY posted Studebaker patent for example, the designer patented the whole design concept of the car, a very difficult thing to prove, since, among other things, it had 4 wheels like every other car on the road, a pretty standard wheel base, 2 headlights, 2 tail lights, etc. I'm surprised he was given a patent at all. While the shape of nose and rear was unique, much of rest of car was similar to many on the road.
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Circa 1914 Oakland maybe, they had the German Silver V rad, cowl lights in firewall, similar headlights. etc.
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Not Chevrolet, I had a '31, clamps were pressed steel, plated. I'm guessing for about a 4.00 wide tire, suggesting mid-late 20's. a couple of more pictures, note high quality rubber pad screwed to underside, and the deep threaded wing nut.
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I see these nice side-mount clamps on Ebay, curious what they might fit. Appear to be high quality chrome plated brass castings, for a narrow tire, have rubber pads on underside, thumb nut is also brass, threaded to go on a threaded rod.
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Thanks for the good summary of how these were made (welded/riveted) and their interesting history. Not sure just how one could go about "patenting" a shape of a fender? Would Cadillac have been able to patent the early fins/taillight process on their rear fenders? Usually a patent is given for a new mechanism and not a "cosmetic" idea. Regardless, would be interesting to see actual patent filing, and hear of any lawsuits that followed. I'm inclined to think their "ungainly look" to put it mildly, may have made copying unlikely anyway. The gradual integration of lights into fenders and front sheet metal was a streamlining/cost efficiency approach, and not likely any attempt to copy PA's much earlier approach. JMHO.
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Saw a post today of edinmass's PA with the ubiquitous "molded in fender" headlights. How were these obviously difficult headlight buckets achieved? Part of a complex pressing? Welded in after pressing? or? Just curious. The answer may explain why others did not go this route.
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Just the way I like 'em!
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twin side-mount Sedan near building
Mid-1920's Sedan, what make/model
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One reason I mentioned '27 Pontiac is because I helped a friend restore this '27 Pontiac Coupe, similar door beltlines and handles, fender moldings, visor style, bead on aprons, 12 spoke wheels and similar hubcaps. Only 2nd year for Pontiacs. Could be '26 or maybe '28. Don't have photo with headlights on car.