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Thanks Layden B, I thought the Huckster in photo looked shorter, it was posted as a TT. I agree CHuDWah that OP is obviously built for transporting people, has raised floor in rear seating area and arch at back likely for entry headroom. I'm guessing large building is a hotel which might explain why vehicle is photographed here (have now confirmed large building was a convent, then a large Catholic French community named Cheticamp, my wife's family hail from there). As for the canvas draped below windshield?? Does this vehicle appear to be RHD?
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The term dash board was initially referred to as the board placed on front of a wagon/buggy to protect the wagonman from being dashed to death by rocks thrown up by the horses heels during a galloping run. I doubt road apples ever got tossed that high, but makes a good story. There was really no reason for them on early 4 wheelers that travelled at 5 or 10 MPH, but they showed up early on some cars, and the term dashboard carried forward. Interesting how the industry eventually went to cowl or firewall, but still continued to refer to inside instrument panel area as a "dash" and "dashboard".
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Thanks guys, appears to be about 1917 Ford TT Huckster like this one from internet. I've made inquiries about the large building (hotel?) in background, but not the horse!.
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Anyone able to pin down what this early transporter may be? Was thinking an early Ford, perhaps TT chassis for circa late teens/early 1920's, license plate appears to be commercial (C1743) with 21 in lower left corner. Not an era or brand I have much expertise on. I understand picture is from Cheticamp a French community in Northern Cape Breton, NS, Canada. (Convent in background). Thanks.
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I have a friend who is now doing a 1931 Chrysler CD8 Sedan resto-mod, only started with a solid body (car found in Virginia) including 4 doors that closed solidly. Yes it will be a pricey end result, but he wanted a large 4 passenger 1930's era car he and his family/friends could reliably tour in for long distances. BTW, the original chassis and drivetrain is under my CD8 Roadster, he had a rod shop make a new chassis set up for modern drivetrain and suspension. He hopes to maintain original cars outer appearance. So I figure as long as we can collectively keep the parts of these old beasts alive the better, even if they get divvied up!
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alsuncle wrote "Sorry, not a Dietrich, but a Lebaron with replica coachwork. But the price is about 10 cents on the dollar" .Stunning reproduction, the fit and finish likely as good or better than original cars. If I had $1/2 M to spend on a spectacular car, this might be a perfect choice. Like many on here, I struggle to understand how people with large amounts of cash to spend, decide how to spend their money on cars with the choice between (1) some thing fully original, rare and undrivable (and spend $5M), (2) something not so rare but drivable, (3) something as a stash for your money (investment or parking spot), (4) something to show the world versus (5) something to show the car snobs, (6) something for bragging rights, (7) something you just love the look of, (8) something that just seems to be the right car at the right price at the right time. I never question anyone's choice or right to choose, and this stunning Packard is just that, stunning. Cannot imagine anyone suggesting it is not worthy of their time.
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Having looked closely again, it does appear to be on inside of stanchion, and likely as mentioned a bumper/spacer perhaps added by a previous owner. Mislead by bolt/nut at top of stanchion, appears a temporary nut to keep parts together until U shaped pivot gets affixed to windshield frame. I thought these era Chryslers had a weather strip up the side of window frame, and as such a "spacer/bumper" would not be needed.
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On my 1931 Chrysler Roadster (has folding stanchions), there were several small threaded holes like you show for snaps to secure side curtains, and to add wind wings. I'm guessing yours is for a side curtain snap. I filled in the wind wing holes during restoration. Having said that, your hole also appear to be countersunk leaving a bit of a question if it might be altered.
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Thanks nzcarnerd for piquing (and not peaking or peeking) my interest! I'm a bit of a "word policeman" myself and shudder when I see others use wrong words or incorrect spelling. On public forums we should all strive to use good "grammar" for everyone's benefit. So what is "grammar" you ask? LOL. Google tells me "grammar" is "the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics. Sorry I asked!
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Great photo, the rear windshield/screen appear after market and off-set toward passenger side.
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This photo was posted on FB titled "First car in Neil's Harbour". a small and remote fishing village in North Eastern Cape Breton, NS, Canada. I'm sure someone on here can pin down make, model and year. Driver was apparently the proud owner, and roads in that area (circa 1920) would have been horse and wagon trails over some serious hills/mountains (rising about 1000 feet above this village)(not high by some standards, but no doubt a challenge for cars and horses back then).
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Normally horns require 2 bolts to keep them straight.
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Pretty crude casting for headlight, thinking more likely a stop/tail light, 4 square holes for carriage bolts suggest may have mounted to wood chassis like under a truck box. Hole in sleeve area for wiring? That extra hole at end?
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Jack M said "I suspect that there is nothing left of this place and is a freeway now".
That peaked my curiosity so I googled Camp Cajon (as noted on building) (and Meeker's Lunch) and found a myriad of historic photos, many taken by the same photographer of the day, Burton Frasher (Frasher Foto). The first is at a dedication in 1913, car is likely well known (White maybe?). Several refer to the California Automobile Trade Association, and some refer to the National Park to Park Tour. 2nd photo is 1923 Frasher foto of Camp Cajon, note cars scattered among trees. 3rd photo lists 1921 Buick. 4th refers to 1920 CATA gathering and a new Chalmers. 5th is to Camp Cajon Grocery (and later to add on Meeker's Lunch) (photo says 1921). 6th also shows a different view of what may be same area circa 1930's with a Lunch, Grocery, Garage etc. 7th shows highway relocation circa 1940 and Camp Cajon Admin buildings demolished. 8th as Jack M wisely surmised shows nothing left of original Camp Cajon except a monument and perhaps part of the old trail. It appears the California Automobile Trade Association was involved in supporting this operation.
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Great photo of early rural life, I've tried to enlarge roadster, hope this helps.
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Model J. Painted shell, painted wheels, raked windshield, low roof, long hood. tph 479, APPEARS BASED ON OVAL WHEELS THAT THIS PHOTO IS STRETCHED A BIT, CREATES A GREAT LOOK, BUT WOULD NOT BE AS SEXY IF PROPER LENGTH. (sorry for caps, typing mistake, not hollering at anyone!) Anyone able to correct photo of a very nice car.
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These great photos appeared on local Facebook forum, depicting cars racing on ice in Sydney Harbour, Cape Breton, NS, Canada circa 1930's. What do we have here, including the very nice roadster which suffered a mishap.
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The rarified air around money people. I had an ordinary guy who plowed my driveway during snow storms. When he wasn't available one specific day, he apologized. Seems the "money" guy he did odd jobs for was going to Europe for a couple of months with his wife. She asked if it was possible to take her favorite car (a nice Mercedes) with them (talk about over-sized luggage). They hired my snowplow driver to load it up, trailer it 1200 miles (a 4 day return trip) to an airport where it could be loaded for transport to Europe. He then had to be available to pick it up when it came back to Canada 2 months later. No biggie! Only about a years pay for an ordinary bloke!
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There are so many ultra rich car collectors, and so few of these Top Dog Packards, that I suspect it is just a matter of time before it changes hands with both buyer and seller happy. Not sure it needs anything.
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I mentioned earlier the term "fake padded" top (WP said they are real, not fake, LOL), and it's a term I often use to refer to sedans/closed cars where a design decision is made to have them look like a convertible or cabriolet with it's top up (i.e. a fake), by adding a padded material, sometimes even with hints of fake bows etc. Many European convertibles in particular used padded convertible tops (Mercedes for example), likely insulated for all weather driving, and it seems many American designers liked the look of such cars, and thus added padded tops to create the impression of a convertible. This craze of course became the vogue again in the 60's and 70's, again only as a marketing gimmick. I've always hated anything fake, whether on a car (padded tops, portholes, non-functional vents etc), a house (fake shutters, fake bricks/stone, fake Greek columns, etc), no matter the make/model/year. Just my preference that "less is more".
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Gee alsuncle, you said "Bohman and Schwartz gets a lot of crap from us but they did screw up and make some nice cars on occasion. This is a 39 Packard". Man I'm have a hard time liking anything about this frumpy lump. The fake padded top, the horribly integrated side-mounts, the bumper that doesn't relate to anything, the "stick-on" parking lights. the poor fit of front fender to running board...I could go on. Even the wide whites don't help. Likely a very nice car in the flesh, but for looks, not for me.
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This should be an interesting topic, with the term "Architecture" used to refer generally to the buildings themselves, whether or not they are attributed to a specific architect. As many know, in the past, as in the present, many buildings, both of a very common construction and exceptional construction, were built by "Master Builders', often without any architect of record involved. Some of the lovely buildings shown so far, including the Rockingham Motor Co. building appear to have been very carefully designed and detailed by Architects.
As a graduating Architect in 1970, I was aware of the construction at that time of a Gas Station in Montreal Canada for the Standard Oil company (later ESSO) and designed by famous German born Architect Mies van der Rohe. It is/was often referred to as the world's most beautiful gas station! Here is a short summary and a couple of photos. I understand the station closed in 2008 and the Historical Registered building is presently used for seniors and youth community activities.
Description from WIKI
Nun's Island is part of the Hochelaga archipelago located immediately southwest of Montreal. It's urbanization followed the opening of the Champlain bridge in 1962 under an ambitious master plan carried out by Metropolitan Structures, a real estate giant who had built numerous projects in Chicago with the collaboration of Mies van der Rohe. The new community included three high rise apartment buildings by Mies' office and it led, in 1966, to a commission from Standard Oil to design a prototypical gas station.
The station consists of two distinct volumes, one for car servicing and the other for sales, with a central pump island covered by a low steel roof that unifies the composition. The beams and columns were made of welded steel plates painted black that contrast with the white enameled steel deck and bare fluorescent tubes. Over the years, the interiors have been modified to incorporate a car wash on the sales side, the finishes, built-in furniture and equipment have been replaced and the custom made pumps removed.
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Is it possible a "master key" was required to be inserted into the lock to release some pin or cog inside preventing it from pulling out. Alternatively have an "impression key" made and see if it will help figure out how to remove lock cylinder. Smithies likely already thought of these methods.
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I admire Walt's passion in collecting "automotive and community history" from an early age, a noble and rare endeavor that far too many people neither pay much heed to nor appreciate. My Dad was a very good mechanic and serious car guy (my very tenuous connection of this post to antique cars). His older sister (b 1904) left our town in Eastern Canada around 1930 at the start of the depression and headed West, where she married and settled for the rest of her life in Utah. As a Mormon she was led to a 60 year long genealogy trek (long before internet, Ancestry.com), in the days when gathering history of families, much like Walt's work, involved 3 things: a passion for knowledge of history: time to spend mailing and replying to letters: and listening to others as she traveled the world in search of answers. When she passed away in 1996, she left 10 filing cabinets full of family history (thousands of pages of letters, outlines, loose ends etc) on all branches of our tree, but nothing written as a summary. As a tribute to her efforts and for the benefit of all future descendants, in 2010 I joined 2 of my 1st cousins on a 2 year effort to distill her efforts into a 400 page Family History. We published 100 hardcover copies in 2012 and distributed them to all the 50 or so 1st cousins and their local archives.
I refer to this personal story as a way of understanding the herculean effort Walt would face in trying to distill his vast library of material into digestible, interesting and valuable material for all of us to enjoy. I truly appreciate even getting the odd bite of this vast material cache every day or 2, and those little tidbits often lead me to dig a little deeper for the real history of the cars, people and industry he speaks so fervently about. Thanks Walt.
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Looks like truck interior?