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1 hour ago, RivNut said:
I may have a couple you could use to replace it.
That'll work, too …
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These folks aren't cheap, but they did a lovely job with my 1985 Corvette's Delco-Bose, which had to stay original for judging. They could likely do the same for you:
https://www.doctordons.com/index.html—they list coverage from 1950 to 2004, so you should be okay. A note that there are a lot less folks in the eighties stereo restoration business than there used to be.
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5 minutes ago, padgett said:
… requires a certain way of thinking about the design of a part.
Agreed. I believe it's somewhat of the same set of skills that enable some folks to create great three-dimensional models on computers. Spatial relations is what I call it.
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A spectacular thread—with amazing progress (and a few things that are unexpectedly easy).
This is why I enjoy this forum.
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5 minutes ago, RivNut said:
Is the 1998 year covered in Darwin's Options not Included articles? If so, he'll have this information broken down by percentage for every color.
Alas, no—the furthest forward Darwin comes is 1984. Those are absolutely superb articles.
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Hah! I thought of searching newspapers.com, and it's looking good for Platinum Beige.
A casual estimate would tell me that almost half of the 1998's were either Bright White or Bright White Diamond Tri-Coat. Also, there's a ton of these Rivieras sold in Florida.
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36 minutes ago, dship said:
Go to PaintRef.com. Loads of paint info there to look into.
Absolutely. They were one of the sources for my question.
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1 hour ago, RivNut said:
I wouldn't trust your monitor screen to give you a true color or the camera that took the picture to give you a true color either. If you're trying to match a color and you know the car hasn't been repainted, find the code on the door jamb or the SPID sticker and get the color code from it. If you're just doing this to satisfy an itch, find a different itch to scratch. You'll go nuts otherwise.
I trust my display (hardware calibrated every month) but you are right that camera variability is a thing. However, that's not what I'm getting at here—I just want to know what colors were actually produced in 1998.
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10 hours ago, RivNut said:
I've noticed something along these lines but it has to do with what name the division gives to each color. Same color code and formula, but Pontiac has a unique name for it, likewise for Chevrolet, Buick, and Oldsmobile. Cadillac didn't share many colors but those that they did share had their own unique names.
Absolutely, and you see this change in marketing names all the time. What gets me here is that the formula designation (for example, PPG's four number code) is completely different.
I'm leaning toward PaintRef being correct, and color number twelve being code 83 Platinum Beige Metallic/Light Antelope Metallic. A search does find images of 1998 Buicks in Platinum Beige Metallic. Perhaps Sandstone Beige Metallic was a last minute scratch after having been available in 1996 and 1997. -
11 hours ago, Big E said:
In healthcare.....running harder.
I hear you—best wishes.
Car looks great.
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Come on over here:
https://forums.aaca.org/forum/73-buick-riviera/
—lots of first-generation door skin discussion.
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You would think that by 1998 records would be exact, but I've recently run into somewhat of a conundrum. First, here's a chart:
1998 brochure colors ROA 1998 listing PPG 1998 colors Du Pont 1988 colors PaintRef Riviera Bright White (16) Bright White (16) Bright White (16) Bright White (16) Bright White (16) Silvermist Metallic (17) Silver Mist Metallic (17) Silvermist Metallic (17) Silver Mist Metallic (17) Silvermist Metallic (17) Twilight Blue Metallic (27) Twilight Blue Metallic (27) Regal Blue Metallic (27) Regal Blue Metallic (27) Regal Blue Metallic (27) Midnight Blue Pearl (28) Midnight Blue Pearl (28) Navy Blue Metallic (28) Navy Blue Metallic (28) Navy Blue Metallic (28) Emerald Green Pearl (38) Emerald Green Pearl (38) Dark Caribe Metallic (38) Dark Caribe Metallic (38) Dark Caribe Metallic (38) Black (41) Black (41) Black (41) Black (41) Black (41) Majestic Teal Pearl (43) Majestic Teal Pearl (43) Majestic Teal Metallic (43) Majestic Teal Metallic (43) Majestic Teal Metallic (43) Sandstone Beige Metallic (50) Sandstone Beige Metallic (50) Olympic White (50) Olympic White (50) Bordeaux Red Pearl (51) Bordeaux Red Pearl (51) Dark Toreador Metallic (51) Dark Toreador Red Metallic (51) Dark Toreador Metallic (51) Santa Fe Red Pearl (53) Santa Fe Red Pearl (53) Light Toreador Metallic (53) Light Toreador Metallic (53) Light Toreador Metallic (53) Slate Green Pearl (61) Slate Green Pearl (61) Slate Green Metallic (61) Slate Green Pearl Metallic (61) Slate Green Pearl (61) Bright White Diamond Tri-Coat (78) Bright White Diamond Metallic (78) Bright White Diamond Tricoat (78) Bright White Diamond Tri-Coat (78) Platinum Beige Metallic (83) Light Antelope Metallic (83) Light Antelope Metallic (83) Light Antelope Metallic (83) —I don't care much about minor changes in color names (Silvermist versus Silver Mist, etc.), but there's more confusion afoot. In order, the columns are the colors as listed and shown in the 1998 brochure, the ROA's 1998 listing (both on the website and in a Riview from 2000), PPG's GM paint chips for 1998, Du Pont's GM paint chips for 1998, and PaintRef's 1998 Buick reference, which explicitly calls out which colors were available for each Buick model.
A little background; by the eighth-generation cars, Buick adhered fairly tightly to twelve color choices each model year, so the brochure's listing makes sense. The ROA information adds a fly to the ointment by adding Platinum Beige Metallic, giving us thirteen colors. Both PPG and Du Pont then drop a bomb by using color code 50 for Olympic White, which is … white—definitely not beige or metallic. PaintRef wraps this all up by stating—with unknown sourcing—that there were only twelve Riviera colors for 1988 and that the beige metallic was code 83 rather than code 50.
Thoughts, questions, wild accusations, better data?
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2 hours ago, Barney Eaton said:
1986 - 1993 Riviera was a first cousin to the Reatta... I know there are not many people that visit the Riviera discussion that own this vintage of Riviera but
wanted to point out the discussion on the Reatta forum about oil filter adaptors will relate directly to that group of Riviera.
Barney (oh marvelous restorer of GM power antennas) we've got a few over here, and there's massive crossover in components between the seventh-generation Riviera and the Reattas. Here's the thread I think you are talking about:
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On 12/3/2020 at 12:28 PM, JZRIV said:
https://youngstown.craigslist.org/cto/d/warren-1978-buick-riviera/7240252227.html
1978 Buick Riviera Anniversary 403 engine edition 84k miles runs smooth very clean car. Selling off some of my cars need space. Text or call not interested in trades.
I do like the color combination on these cars—perhaps the most desirable of the fifth-generation?
Asking $10,000. It would be interesting to know what other equipment it has. Unlike later special editions from General Motors, these car did not come loaded by default—I've seen a 75th Anniversary sticker with 28 extra cost options ordered.
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16 minutes ago, padgett said:
Used to have a Crossfire Coupe. Made in Germany on an R170 chassis, electrics all R170. Chrysler dealers no longer had the equipment to reset alarms and Mercedes dealers would not touch. Took in for an airbag recall. Fortunately could prove (photograph showing odo) it did not have SRS warning when brought in. Took four months to get reset.
Those crossover cars have got to be tough. In our area, the best odds might be with an independent Mercedes specialist. But—agreed: aaargh!
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Agreed. What an amazing life—the things he saw and did.
Chuck lent his own special glamour to the C4 Corvette, which many of us in that part of the hobby greatly appreciated.
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43 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:
You can tell when interest in any car picks up a bit by books written and sold. The 107 series cars will never be rare, but have a good sized following.
You sure can—coverage goes from paltry to overkill, with little in between.
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10 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:
A lot of postwar MB books are very general with nice pictures but light on information. I have a few of those as well but the three above I think are pretty good.
True of so many automotive books.
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9 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:
Kime's Star and Laural covers postwar, I can check my copy if you have specific years, cars of interest. That book is downstairs but I think published in 86, and goes at least through yhe 1960s.
If your interested specifically in SL production, Olson's The SL Experience and Taylor 's Factory Original SL are both good guides on prod numbers and specs/features.
Thank you, Steve—very helpful.
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Which books on Mercedes-Benz do you trust?
I realize that's a big topic—if you asked me to get more specific, I'd say I'm most interested in post-war production cars sold in North America.
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Which books on Mercedes-Benz do you trust?
I realize it's a big topic—if you asked me to get more specific, I'd say I'm most interested in post-war production cars sold in North America.
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Another great thread.
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What drove this yearly change? Warranty fixes, customer satisfaction, ease of assembly, competition, standardization, … ?
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On 3/4/2019 at 8:42 PM, 1965rivgs said:
Thought you guys might get a kick out of seeing the progression of power trunk release controls from `63 to `65. The `63 control is on the left and `65 on the right. Obviously, the space dedicated to the controls becomes less and less invasive within the glovebox as the years progress. I`m very surprised it took Buick engineers until `65 to resort to the "T" handle. My `62 Olds has the "T" handle and I suspect Oldsmobile used it even before `62.
That's just cool …
82 Riviera Delco Radio
in Buick Riviera
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I have found contact cleaner to help if things aren't too bad. Past a certain point, though, you are likely looking at multiple issues.