1912Staver

Sorry I misread your post. I live here , yes there are quite a few E.V.'s. I even know a few people that own them. Most like them, and the day to day reduced expense vs a gas machine. But most also complain about the up front cost.

B.C. has about 3.7 million vehicles. 109,000 are E.V.'s as of Dec 31 , 2022 { latest number available } So more like 1 in 25 , not one in 5.

I was, and remain very happy with my $10,000 .00 , 2010 Hyundai Accent hatchback. A really great little car. I have put over 250,000 KM's on it { just over 150,000 miles } with virtually no trouble. { one crank position sensor when still under warranty, it wasn't even a tow in, just would run rough at times}. Very fuel efficent. Hauls almost as much as my wife's Ford Ranger. Won't pull my tandem car trailer however. 5 speed and actually anything but underpowered. Quite quick in reality. { remember I also own a Lola Sports 2000 race car so I have a pretty good idea of what a fast car feels like } If I could buy another one I would. MG , Triumph, TVR etc. guy most of my life so small is second nature to me.

How does a typical owner maintain a E.V. battery ? Is there a good way and bad way to drive one / maintain one ? I assume fast charging is harder on a E.V. battery than slow , overnight charging , but really don't know. There is only one problem that E.V.'s are trying to solve and that is helping the environment. Are they working ?

The $100,000,000.00 question still is " are E.V.'s actually making a substantial difference " ? As I see it in a E.V. environment where the cost of an out of warranty battery replacement easily costs more than the vehicle is worth then the answer has to be no. Who in their right mind would take a risk like that, unless wealthy enough to just take that sort of loss in stride? And how does 7 or 8 year old vehicles being not worth repairing help anyone except for the Vehicle industry itself ? But still not saving the planet, just saving ones ego / conscience to me. A solution that only just sort of works for the rich is hardly a solution to a world wide problem. At the end of the day , the only thing that matters is are E.V.'s making enough of a difference with Global warming to justify the cost ? Or should we all be spending all that money on something that will make for a better solution ?

I realize bigger vehicles like Mustang E's and Lightning trucks have larger capacity battery's than were common in 2008. But by that formula { 1 /10 th of the cost 15 years later } todays $50,000 replacement battery { straight from a Ford parts manager in a above post } would have been priced at 1/2 million dollars ? That seems too high to even believe. Or are battery replacement costs disconnected from the basic $ / KWH ?

Interesting concept. And it does look light. I wonder how it would work here in the cloudy / rainy most of the fall and winter, Pacific North West where I live. Any projected cost ?

EV's may well be fast.... in a straight line. Around corners and braking, weight really comes into play. There is a reason race cars are feather weights. Weight and horsepower is also a huge factor in tire life. There is a reason I stick to very light , somewhat low horsepower cars. Tire costs over a few seasons can be absolutely staggering for a heavy or high H.P. car. Tires on the Lola last a season, the guys with the GT1 Camaro's , Mustang's and Corvette's use up a set in a weekend. The Lola with a better driver than I am is only slightly slower than a GT1 car despite having 1/4 or less in some cases of the H.P. of the V8 cars. And overall costs per lap far smaller. I have yet to hear about a light weight EV.

Here is the T492. At the previous owners shop, the day I picked it up.

Since moving they are absolutely jammed up in storage at the new place. Spring project is to start to put my two quonset buildings back together that the developer / buyer of the old place didn't want. Let me take apart and move to the new place. The current M is my 3 rd TVR, they all look about the same except color. This one is medium brown , it was the 70's after all. Here is the F3 car a few years ago back at the old place. Previous owner had fitted full width bodywork. I am putting it back to open wheel form as it was built in 1973

A fool and their gold ? I have a bit of experence in the sports car world. Owned many, worked long enough as a British car mechanic to get my journeyman's ticket. Currently own a Lola T492, and a 1973 Elden F3 series car. plus a Lotus Europa and a TVR 2500 M for road going . In my books the only way to improve a sports car is to add lightness, not god only knows how many hundreds of pounds of battery pack. { my Lola weighs 1300 lbs wet , has 145 H.P. goes extremely well } Just because you can , doesn't mean you should.

Conversions for sure, but not so sure about the " high dollar " part. I guess it depends on what you call "high dollar " . Those conversions generally end up being quite expensive. It's hard to see just what the owners are trying to achive with such conversions. Just to say it can be done ? I think we all know that if you throw enough $ into the mix almost anything can be done . Save on gas costs ? The typical $50 K plus conversion cost buys a lot of gas, even out here on Canada's West coast. But I have yet to see any conversions done on what I would call a " high dollar classic " . 1930 Packard Touring ? Auburn boat tail ? Aston Martin DB4 ? { the Aston of course isn't actually a Classic ,only 1927 - 1939 Aston's are on the list. } But they fit the " high dollar " part .

Quite similar to a Hartford, but not quite the same as any I have. Hartford's have the Hartford name stamped along one of the main arms. Sometimes the stamping is quite light , but with a good wire brushing or light bead blasting I have always been able to read it. Perhaps this is an early model ? Or perhaps a different make. I would clean it very thoroughly and carefully examine for any name stamping.

I like early trucks a lot . Two late teens Packard basket cases survived my recent move. { one 2 ton and one 3 ton } Lots of my other pre war stuff did not. Early trucks are a challenge too high for 99.5 % of the old vehicle people out there. They are big, the parts are big, tires are very expensive!! Moving them takes much more than a regular pick up and car trailer. Parts back up does not exist. And just what do you do with a 12 M.P.H. machine when it is restored ? Still , against any grain of common sense I took the time and expense to bring them with me. Some things have no reasonable explanation.

There is no doubt in my mind E.V.'s will be a big part of the future. Governments at all levels are plowing so much tax payer cash into it how could it possibly fail ?

Where else were you planning to buy a battery from other than the Vehicle dealer ? I really don't think the local parts store is going to be able to help on this one. Most of these batterys tend to be very make and model specific, unlike motor oil, fan belts or spark plugs.

Thanks for the " from the horse's mouth" information . Sounds like E.V.'s are at least something like a ticking time bomb, from an expense point of view at least. So much for a battery being roughly the equal cost of a new I.C. engine theory. { Unless new engines have REALLY gone up in price } To give these numbers a bit of context , that's only slightly less than the average pre - tax yearly income for Canadian earners.

Myself and most of my fellow Canadians have more or less become used to paying through the nose for nearly everything. Particularly when compared to the normal U.S. price. Does anyone out in AACA land have a connection to a U.S. Hyundai dealer and could provide a U.S. market quote for the same replacement ? It would make an interesting " apples to apples " comparison. Like many things in the U.S. , I have a feeling it will be less.

This was off the mainstream Canadian news media and included shots of the quote on a dealer written form and a quote from Hyundai Canada saying the dealer was in error for not refering the matter to Hyundai Canada. But not that the price quote was wrong, just that it had been handled incorectly and that Hyundai would have offered the vehttps://globalnews.ca/news/10103753/electric-car-shock-50000-battery/#:~:text=A Stoney Creek%2C Ontario man,says made no economic sense.hicle owner a attractive trade in value against a new E.V. The owner had already sold the E.V. for scrap before Hyundai Canada got involved. { some weeks after the dealer gave the repair quote }. 6 year old E.V. going for scrap because of battery cost ? Not really saving the planet is it ? Global news is a mainstream { top 5 in Canada news network} Click bait ? I dont think so. Just the facts .

Just a few days ago there was a news story that caught my attention. A man in Ontario Canada with a 2017 Hyundai Ionic E.V. { small crossover type vehicle } needed a new battery. Just barely past the 160,000 K.M. warranty. { 100,000 miles } Taken to the local dealer for repairs. The battery replacement quote will knock your socks off, just slightly over $50,000 Canadian. Approx. $36,500 U.S.D. And this is for a 6 year old vehicle with only about 100,000 miles. I sure hope vintage- ish cars keep serving my needs for a long time !

Pre War Gold Stars easily qualify for the "rare " description. Quite rare AND very desirable if you ask me ! Only one or two in these parts , plus a fair number of the various post war Gold Stars. I have a 1954 series BB machine hiding in boxes and shelves. Reasonably rare in itself .

Walt, the only reason I have ended up with a few " rare " cars is that for the sort of car they are the rareness made them a lot cheaper than the better known , but very similar sort of car they were built to compete in the market place against. No quest for bragging rights, just pure market value and what I could afford. My Buckler for example, even when completed it sells for about 1/2 or less than an early Elva , or 1/3 of an early Lotus . I bought mine as a rough project for less than 1/10 of what a similar condition Lotus or Elva would go for these days. But close to an early Lotus in everything but value, and actually better engineered than an early Elva. By the mid 1960's both Elva and Lotus truly great cars , Buckler ended with the owner of the company's rapid health decline and eventual death in about 1962. Mine dates from around 1959 and was a very well engineered and built car. You have probably never heard of Buckler, but here is the cover of a great book that details the company's history.

Big diameter wheels, but the fronts look somewhat short. 1914 or so Cadillac ?

Don't know if I agree about the "spent more on my regular transportation ". 90 % my life I drove 95 % used up beaters so I could spend on the hobby , tools, shop equipment etc. Many cast offs were pressed into service so I would have a few $ left over. Being a journeyman mechanic helped . One , one year old, cheapest car on the market in 2010 { still driving it }. By that time my job had evolved into a situation where if I was late the ship didn't sail and up to 2000 people were waiting for me to get there. The crewing office was much less than forgiving of " car trouble " calls.

My # 1 problem all my life isn't the cars. It's the land and building { s } needed. A shop plus a decent sized storage building. Up until my recent move I had finally scrimped and saved enough to build a shop. a small inheritance from my late father plus every extra nickle and dime for the last 5 years. About $120,000 Canadian. $80-90 K U.S.D. But the state of our house became more than my wife was willing to live with. A very poorly constructed farm house dating to the depression years. We looked into repairs and in a blink were at $400 K Canadian. So looked for a better place bearing that number in mind. The value of the old place plus " just " another 1/2 million got us a much nicer house, a bit more land, a wiped out bank account , a $280,000 mortgage, and still no shop or any hope of saving up another $120 K to build one. Bear in mind, I live in a suburb of Vancouver British Columbia. One of the most unaffordable areas in the Western world. I now have about $150 K invested { spent } on tools, shop equipt. , project cars , parts , parts, parts. { over the last 50 years } Licenced mechanic, former High School shop teacher { 5 year Education degree } , 30 years as a Marine Engineer on a large passenger / vehicle ferry, but the cost of building a shop has brought me to a stop. Once retired as I have been for a few years now the $ just dry up. The fact that post covid, living costs in Canada have simply sky rocketed sure does not help. No I can no longer afford old cars. But it sure was a great learning situation for the last 1/2 century. A good shop and storage would probably add $200 K to the value of the new place. But I have no intention of ever moving again, unless death or dementia happens, so all that means is higher taxes.