nzcarnerd
-
Posts
7,827 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
5
Content Type
Forums
Gallery
Events
Posts posted by nzcarnerd
-
-
10 hours ago, Vintageben said:
The first photo is very similar but not the same as a 1928 Chrysler 72 Rumble seat Coupe made by Fisher as you would all already know they made bodies for quite a few makes. Here’s a period photo of one and a photo of a project I have just bought. Do love these Coupes.
I guess probably because of its wood/fabric top construction your would be a rare survivor? The only one I found a photo of is on this page. The price seems to be quite reasonable. You might have to be careful not to overspend on yours. Chrysler Series 70 / 72 Market - CLASSIC.COM
-
1
-
-
In New Zealand.
-
A family in New Zealand photographed with their 1911 Cadillac. Gisborne museum photo -
-
Another 'padded top' coupe in NZ is this Graham-Paige 612. I don't know any details of it but the personalised plate suggests it is the only one like it. Whether that is in NZ, or anywhere, I don't know.
-
14 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:
Ever since I had my Reo, I have loved the look of landau bars on automobiles. As long as they are of good size and appropriately placed. Interesting detail you point out about the lower placement of the bar, being on or off of the top material. I hadn't really noticed that before, so thank you for that!
The colorized original era photo of the Studebaker is nice! I wonder though what the original colors were on that car?
Another 'padded top' coupe - with no irons - is this Chrysler 77 that an acquaintance imported from the US about 15 years ago. I think probably not a common model There were several different coupes in the 77 range and I am not exactly certain which this one is. This one had apparently been left in storage after its owner failed to return from WW2. It has had the top fabric replaced but little else has been done to it. Unfortunately I don't have a really good photo. Report - EMP487 - 1930 CHRYSLER 77 in Red with Black | CARJAM
-
3 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:
Ever since I had my Reo, I have loved the look of landau bars on automobiles. As long as they are of good size and appropriately placed. Interesting detail you point out about the lower placement of the bar, being on or off of the top material. I hadn't really noticed that before, so thank you for that!
The colorized original era photo of the Studebaker is nice! I wonder though what the original colors were on that car?
I have a factory manual that lists the available colour for the various body styles but it doesn't mention the cabriolet. In that factory photo you can see that it doesn't have the waistline panel in a different colour.
-
1 hour ago, wayne sheldon said:
I love that Studebaker of yours! Every time I see a picture of it, I very much enjoy it. Several car makers in this country offered very similar "fake folding top" coupes like that. Ford, with its model A built the most, calling them a "sport coupe". The model A sport coupe had dummy landau bars, and no golf bag door. One of my longest time best friends was restoring one when we met over fifty years ago. I have known several people that had model A sport coupes over the years and they are one of my favorite model A Ford models. Almost totally forgotten, Ford's model A also offered a "business coupe" for just a few dollars less which also had the fixed soft top in a cheaper black fabric without the landau bars. Most of those that survived have been "restored" by upping them to sport coupes by adding the landau bars and a few other minor details. I am not sure if the rumble seat was standard or optional on the sport coupe, but most sport coupes did seem to have the rumble seat. Most business coupes simply had the large but empty trunk.
I have seen photos of a few Chevrolet fixed soft top coupes. Not sure what they called them. I have seen one of Chevrolet's sister marques, a Pontiac, similar fixed soft top coupe. I also saw another non-Ford (I seem to recall maybe a Nash?) with a similar style coupe? The owner said it was a one year only offering, which the following year was replaced by a padded fixed roof similar to the Buick and my Reo. There was also a circa 1929 Packard listed on this forum's for sale site a year or two ago that was discussed quite a bit. It confused a lot of people because at first glance it appeared to be a cabriolet, but closer examination of the photos revealed it also had a fixed soft top.
This 1928 Cadillac here in NZ illustrates what I said about the lower ends of the irons being in the body. I think not all cabriolets used external irons though. Interestingly the guy who put all the work into this car - which had had a very chequered history having gone through quite a few owners in its later years - was very upset that when the car was auctioned not too long ago his name was not mentioned by the auction company.
-
1 hour ago, wayne sheldon said:
I love that Studebaker of yours! Every time I see a picture of it, I very much enjoy it. Several car makers in this country offered very similar "fake folding top" coupes like that. Ford, with its model A built the most, calling them a "sport coupe". The model A sport coupe had dummy landau bars, and no golf bag door. One of my longest time best friends was restoring one when we met over fifty years ago. I have known several people that had model A sport coupes over the years and they are one of my favorite model A Ford models. Almost totally forgotten, Ford's model A also offered a "business coupe" for just a few dollars less which also had the fixed soft top in a cheaper black fabric without the landau bars. Most of those that survived have been "restored" by upping them to sport coupes by adding the landau bars and a few other minor details. I am not sure if the rumble seat was standard or optional on the sport coupe, but most sport coupes did seem to have the rumble seat. Most business coupes simply had the large but empty trunk.
I have seen photos of a few Chevrolet fixed soft top coupes. Not sure what they called them. I have seen one of Chevrolet's sister marques, a Pontiac, similar fixed soft top coupe. I also saw another non-Ford (I seem to recall maybe a Nash?) with a similar style coupe? The owner said it was a one year only offering, which the following year was replaced by a padded fixed roof similar to the Buick and my Reo. There was also a circa 1929 Packard listed on this forum's for sale site a year or two ago that was discussed quite a bit. It confused a lot of people because at first glance it appeared to be a cabriolet, but closer examination of the photos revealed it also had a fixed soft top.
I think the GM makes used the term Landau for the models with the dummy irons. Although to add to the confusion Pontiac (and Chev?) did make a few sedans where the rear end opened - Landaulet.
I have seen pictures of Chryslers of that era with them as well.
As regards whether a top folds or not, the easy way to tell is the placement of the lower end of the iron, as a general rule. If it is in the fabric of the top then it does not fold. Real cabriolets have the lower end of the iron within the body. On my car the lower end has been attached to the metal trim strip around the base of the top. I think this is incorrect - but I am not going to alter it. I am not sure why it was done that way. Maybe the person who did the top thought it a better idea as there could be a risk of damaging the top fabric as it aged??
This recently colourised factory photo show the correct location -
You can see in this photo of the cabriolet in the US in its as found state that there is no hole in that trim strip. I think it was restored by Syd Huston. I don't have any as found photos of mine unfortunately.
Here is something possibly even rarer - a 1929 Erskine cabriolet. The photo is from the New Zealand national Library and was taken along the Hutt Motorway near Wellington circa 1960. There is one the same that lives near me but I have not yet met the owner - BUT - I have been told it was constructed from the remains of a sedan. Even though the 1929 Erskine was designed to appear similar to its bigger brother Studebakers the wire wheel ones can be easily distinguished by their small hubcaps.
-
23 minutes ago, twin6 said:
Maybe something from circa 1904 that has had its fenders updated?
-
15 hours ago, John_Mereness said:
Jayne Wayne in "His Private Secretary"
I guess you mean John Wayne? The car is a Windsor White Prince - more here - IMCDb.org: "His Private Secretary, 1933": cars, bikes, trucks and other vehicles
-
4 hours ago, Graham Man said:
Gary,
Pretty straight forward, I covered my center section with a 1/8 thick wool blanket, lightly stretched and nailed in place, repaired and painted the wood till smooth.
Then on a extremely hot day stretched and nailed on the vinyl (I used the leather grain) top material. ( I used nylon straps to pull the material flat, cut small holes in the extra and strapped to the bottom of the car)
Finally added the rain gutters and front and rear aluminum welting and dyed the vinyl top material black (I had to buy the brown material, it was all they had wide enough for my Graham-Paige) I did run a thin line of silicone calk (clear) to make sure no water gets underneath the rain gutters.
15 years later it still looks great, wonderful car to drive. 1929 827, that is original blue paint, fenders were resprayed in the 50's
Just happened to come to this section of the forum. Thought you might like this photo for your collection. Taken in NZ in 1929.
Apparently owned by Wright Stephenson, an old established NZ business - Wright Stephenson - Wikipedia
-
6 hours ago, Oldtech said:
Going by the lights I Think Wills St.Claire is correct.
It is a Winton. See this link I posted above - Papers Past | Newspapers | Poverty Bay Herald | 11 September 1920 | Page 1 Advertisements Column 2 (natlib.govt.nz)
More here about the aircraft -
-
12 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:
Fixed roof, so not a convertible coupe. I Cannot say what it is for certain, although Buick does appear likely. And Buick did make fixed/padded top coupes for several years mid to late 1920s. A good friend had a 1928, and I have seen pictures of several others. I am not sure what Buick called them.
The 1929 Reo I had a long time ago was similar, except it was five window, with the dummy landau bars behind the side corner windows. Reo called it a "semi-sport coupe".
In connection to your Reo, Studebaker called this a Victoria -
-
13 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:
Fixed roof, so not a convertible coupe. I Cannot say what it is for certain, although Buick does appear likely. And Buick did make fixed/padded top coupes for several years mid to late 1920s. A good friend had a 1928, and I have seen pictures of several others. I am not sure what Buick called them.
The 1929 Reo I had a long time ago was similar, except it was five window, with the dummy landau bars behind the side corner windows. Reo called it a "semi-sport coupe".
Yes, the whole body style naming 'convention' was very flexible. Studebaker called this one a cabriolet - more like a 'faux' cabriolet. Unlike the Buick above, and other 'padded top' cars the Studebaker has a 'soft' top.
My car - it has the same doors and front end as the equivalent sedan and the back half is the same as the larger President as far as I can work out. It has right hand drive so the golf bag doors is on the 'wrong' side but the rumble seat steps are on the left. I reckon it has a nice shaped bum.
-
11 hours ago, JV Puleo said:
I expect it is immediately after WWI, around 1920. The airplane is too sophisticated for 1915 and how many planes were in civilian use before or during the war? After the war there was a flood of ex-military airplanes.
The plane is an Airco DH6 - a 1916 design - Airco DH.6 - Wikipedia
The New Zealand Flying School's sole example was damaged beyond repair in a gale in August 1920 - New Zealand Flying School - Wikipedia
-
1 hour ago, oldcarfudd said:
The op's picture shows a 12-spoke front wheel. Cadillacs typically had only 10 spokes in front.
Oh yes, I was so busy looking at the hubs I didn't count the spokes. Good point.
-
Note the hubcaps on the '12 Cadillac are quite different to the mystery photo. Of course all 1912 Cadillacs have electric lights - a distinguishing feature of them and the reason for their place in history.
These two pics are 1911 Cadillacs - both New Zealand cars.
This 1911 car was restored in time for the first International vintage car rally held in New Zealand in 1965. It has multi bolt hubs and may be from the changeover period. I think this one is no longer in NZ.
-
39 minutes ago, Leif Holmberg said:
Take look at other 1912 Cadillac and you will find the same 6 bolted hubs.
Here are three 1912 Cadillacs in New Zealand. All have the multi bolt hubs.
The first four pics are the same vehicle which was sold new as a fire engine - The touring body was built in the 1960s.
These other two cars also have multi bolt hubs - the last two photos are the same car - in 1975 and about ten years ago -
-
4 hours ago, Leif Holmberg said:
Looks like a 1912 Cadillac.
The 1912 Cadillac has electric lights - and different front hubs -
-
56 minutes ago, sagefinds said:
It looks a little like a Winton,they were made until 1924.
Thanks for the lead. An answer on the local facebook pages suggested that it may have bene run by Wilkinson's - and from a quick look on paperspast found this reference - Papers Past | Newspapers | Poverty Bay Herald | 11 September 1920 | Page 1 Advertisements Column 2 (natlib.govt.nz)
I think the curved tops on the fenders, rather than flat, suggests a late teens date?
-
Norway circa 1924, although I think the car is earlier than that. Possibly American but haven't worked it out yet.
-
So far I have found only one reference to Wills St Claire in the old papers but there is little information - from 1926 - Papers Past | Newspapers | Wanganui Chronicle | 16 October 1926 | COLOURS AND MODES (natlib.govt.nz)
-
A couple of photos from Gisborne, New Zealand. dated as circa 1915 but I think it is a little later. Gisborne was relatively isolated and there was a desire to have an air service there from the early days but it wasn't until 1931 that a service began.
3rd Level New Zealand: Gisborne Air Transport - "The Pioneer Air Service" (3rdlevelnz.blogspot.com)
The plane is an AIRCO DH6 that was owned at the time by the Walsh brothers' New Zealand Flying School. The relevant wiki article says the plane was damaged beyond repair in August 1920.
The car looks to me to be a Wills Sainte Claire - But as far as I know the first of them was not built until some time in 1921.
In one shot the car is wearing a sign from Fairlie's Motor Service. They dealt with the some poor roads in the day. Pictures From The Past - Gisborne Photo News - No 81 : March 23, 1961
-
This was posted as being a Nash but I think it might be a Buick. Photo taken 1929 Golden Gate Park SF - suggests to me the photo might be on Shorpy but I have not found it.
I have an idea this one has been discussed before.
-
1
-
Lincoln??
in What is it?
Posted