Unknown frame found

[Guest LYLE COLLINS]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[keiser31]

I'm guessing somewhere around a 1928 Chevrolet....

Edited November 25, 2017 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[viv w]

Not Chev. This frame is definitely Chrysler, with their signature external contracting hydraulic brakes. It has what appears to be 8 bolt hubs and 4 lugs holding the split rims onto the felloes. Looking at what is there I think it is a 1928, either a model 52 or 62. It could still yield a few parts for someone.

 Regards

Viv.

 

[keiser31]

Never seen those type of rear axle snubbers on a Chrysler frame, but of course, I have not seen them all.

[viv w]

Hi Keiser and Lyle,

It's a long time ago that I built my model 52, but I do seem to recall making and fitting the rubber bump stops on both the front and rear axle as per the pictures. The frame and brakes all look correct. Perhaps lyle could confirm a couple of things:- 

Where the drive shaft connects to the diff, does it have a "3 prong" flange on the diff ?

Is the front axle tubular or of "I" beam construction?

What is the wheelbase, measured from center of front hub to center of rear hub?

What diameter are the brake drums?

A picture of the front X member would help.

Regards

Viv

[Guest LYLE COLLINS]

thanks everybody  I have id this frame CHRYSLER 1928 MOD 52  to our belief !!

Edited December 2, 2017 by LYLE COLLINS (see edit history)

[Guest LYLE COLLINS]

1928 CHRYSLER MOD 52

[keiser31]

47 minutes ago, LYLE COLLINS said:

1928 CHRYSLER MOD 52

Looks quite right except for the brackets over the fuel tank and those "keyhole" looking slots at the rear edge....here's one....

Edited December 2, 2017 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[viv w]

The holes for the brackets above the gas tank are there in the frame. Unable to see the "keyhole" slots at the rear as Lyle did not post a picture of that angle. My model 52 had these "keyhole" slots but I never did find out what they were there for, maybe a trunk rack??

I sold my model 52 and it has ended up in the UK, the new owner might be interested in the front brakes and hubs if they are available.

 At the time I restored my car in 1979/80 there was no internet and I could not find original front brakes. I ended up fitting front brakes off a 1929 Plymouth.

 From what I remember the brake drums I think were either 12 inch or 14 inch diameter.

Viv.

 

[28 Chrysler]

Most of the 4 cylinder cars had  2 wheel mechanical brakes.  This frame looks like a 1928 Model 62, correct wheels hubs and brake system. 

If the "key hole" slots you are referring to are on the outside of the spare tire carrier brackets those are for the fuel tank straps.

[viv w]

 George Dammans book, "70 years of Chrysler" says the model 52 came out first with 2 wheel hydraulic brakes and they then fitted 4 wheel hydraulic brakes after March 1928. Over the years a lot of people have disputed this, and some have told me their model 58 and 50 cars have 4 wheel hydraulics. Perhaps these cars were upgraded, or did Chrysler offer hydraulic brakes as an option on cars?

 I had 2  1928 model 52 tourers, one had 2 wheel mechanical brakes, the other had 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. I also restored a 1927 model 50 which had 2 wheel mechanical brakes.

Of interest, my model 52 that had 4 wheel brakes, had a factory stenciled date sprayed onto the inside of the frame, just forwards of the battery bracket,  showing the frame was made in Dec 1927 and the engine main bearing shells for the same car, were date stamped April 1928.

I have looked back at some of my files, both the Model 52 cars I had were fitted with 12 inch diameter brake drums, and the drums on my Model G70 are 14 inches in diameter. The 4 cylinder cars brake cylinders are also much smaller than my G70.

 "70 years of Chrysler" , says both the model 52 and model 62 were the same, 109 inches long, however that does not mean the frames were the same. A write up in WPC news June 1984, also says the 52 and 62 models were the same length, but they also mention that the 62 frame may have been slightly  stronger, especially for the commercial vehicles. I actually wonder if this frame is a model 52 or 62 commercial, that would possibly explain why the spare wheel mounting brackets ( which are normally riveted) are missing off the rear x member.

 Getting to the keyhole slots at the rear x member, if you look carefully at the picture posted by Kaiser. There are 2 slots just each side of the spare wheel carrier, these are NOT the ones for the tank straps and I have no idea what they were used for, unless they were used to bolt on rear bumpers or a trunk rack??. There are 2 more slots further out from the spare wheel carrier, these are for the tank straps.

 One of the most defining ways of telling if this frame is a 4 cyl model 52 or 6 cyl model 62 is the flange on the differential. The 4 cylinder cars have a fabric flexible disc that bolts to a 3 "fingered" flange. The 6 cyl cars have a ball and socket universal joint and the diff flange is a more conventional round one. Perhaps Lyle can check this feature out.

Viv.

[keiser31]

I see the keyhole slot now in the closeup of the rear of the frame in question. I can see it through the hole where the fuel filler pipe goes.