Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) Every once in a while the subject of mid-thirties artillery wheels comes up. I haven't actually checked the older threads, but I seem to recall asking if anyone had an image of 17" Dodge wheels, as I couldn't recall ever seeing any. I mention this because someone has listed a pair for sale on ebay, if anyone is curious to see what they look like. He states that they are for trucks. I know that 17" wheels weren't an option for cars in '36. Do you guys know if these were ever used on '34 or '35 cars? http://www.ebay.com/itm/252407831945?ul_noapp=true Edited June 2, 2016 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 the wheels on my truck or 17, they are the 2 piece type, the ones in the picture look like the type used on cars , the scallops are different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 This the brochure for 35, may be same for 36, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Look like Chev wheels?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, countrytravler said: Look like Chev wheels?? I could be wrong, but I think Chevy wheels of that type are six lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 1st chart-34 car 2nd chart-36-37-38 truck 3rd chart-36-37-38 car 4th chart-35 car 5th chart-34-35 truck Edited June 2, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DodgeKCL Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 My Detroit built '35 KCL originally came with 5:50/5:25/17" steel artillerys, it's on the original build ticket I got from Chrysler Historical. I couldn't find a set of 17s when I first got the truck and put on the more common 6:00/16". Lo and behold I'm at a flea market one day and you know what I found!! But by then I had put on new rubber and painted the rims so I'll live with that for now. But I believe 1/2 ton truck chassis did more commonly come with 17s rather than 16s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Up till Sept of 34, no 17" wheel artillery was offered for the KC-KCL. The wire and wood wheel was offered. Have to look at a 35 book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Looks like the 1935 truck was the one to have the 17" artillery wheel option. Taken from a Sept 1935 parts book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) The 16 were actually Plymouth wheels used on the 35, trucks,they are 2 piece rivet like in the picture, are actually stronger design then the 16 on cars, I had the car type on the truck when I first restored it,. Then swap a set of rims with Dan Kerr for truck, Plymouth type,. Put new tires a tubes,. Then a guy in Missouri was hotroding a 35 , bought 17 from him, got engine , transmission reared and rims, for $1000, also use different hupcap, Hotrodder are go for something,. SPARE PARTS! Edited June 2, 2016 by 30dodge35 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) The 17" was also used on the 1935 Dodge Canadian car (DV) and the 1935 and 1936 Plymouths. Edited June 3, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 By the chart the Canadian was a wider rim 5.25. 2 inches wider, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 30dodge35 said: By the chart the Canadian was a wider rim 5.25. 2 inches wider, The Ply and Canadian are both 5.25. The wheel is the same size. Edited June 3, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 13 hours ago, 30dodge35 said: the wheels on my truck or 17, they are the 2 piece type, the ones in the picture look like the type used on cars , the scallops are different Spare wheel different? Spare has 10 slots and the ones on the ground have 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Yeah, we talked about Dodge trucks coming with Plymouth wheels last time. If you'll recall I mentioned that the Dodge wheels were prone to bending easily because the mating surface (to the hub) didn't have the reinforcing gussets around the lug holes that the Plymouth wheels have. As far as artillery wheels on Dodge light trucks, I'm willing to bet that nearly all of them, with the exception of some '35s came with Plymouth wheels whether 16" or 17", from the factory. As I said before, I know that 17" wheels weren't available, even as an option in '36 for Dodge passenger cars. Plymouth, however, continued to offer 17"s for '36, and, I think, for a couple of years after that. I guess that I always thought that at some point prior to '36 Dodge passenger cars would have come with 17" wheels whether stock or optional. It seems that I was wrong about that and that Dodge went straight to 16" wheels from what ever they had on '32 or '33s. I had never seen a 17" wheel that was clearly a Dodge style, rather than a Plymouth before these on ebay. Dave, it looks like you're right about their only being a '35 truck offering. That makes these two on ebay fairly rare, I guess. Can you imagine how long you would have to own these before you could come up with two more to make a set? I just thought some of you Dodge fans might enjoy seeing these two. Edited June 3, 2016 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) According to the parts book, dated June of 1936, Dodge trucks only came with a 16" artillery wheel and a 20" disk. Edited June 3, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) ??????? http://r.ebay.com/6ODIRO Edited June 3, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 The other part, is hupcap so, when I had 16 car rims on 35' I had to have the car hubcaps with raise dodge v,. Due to the fact the front offset is not enough, you have to have the 3 inch high hubcap for spindle clearance, sold the set I had to Dan, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DodgeKCL Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 All these photos of wheels are showing 1936 LCs or later Their attachment system consists of clips on the wheel with a smooth rimmed hub cap. 1933,'34 and '35 had spring loaded clips around the hub cap rim and they snapped into the wheel. It would seem to me you guys are discussing 1936 and later, not 1935 and earlier. At least that's what I have physically found on vehicles over the years and not in the books. Which I don't trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 We had about 30 Dodge trucks from 33 to 35. As you know, I'm new in this buissness about 5 years now since the owner has passed. I beleave the last year Of the clips on the caps was Feb of 35. When the Cab and frame was totally changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 4, 2016 Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) On 6/3/2016 at 11:59 AM, countrytravler said: ??????? http://r.ebay.com/6ODIRO This wheel has details that I don't recognize. I not an expert at anything, but I question if this wheel is Chrysler Corp at all. The perimeter pin stripe and the raised area around the inner tube valve maybe elements of a Chrysler or De Soto wheel, but I'm not familiar with those. I've owned Dodges and Plymouths, myself. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this GM, or something else. Edited June 4, 2016 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: This wheel has details that I don't recognize. I not an expert at anything, but I question if this wheel is Chrysler Corp at all. The perimeter pin stripe and the raised area around the inner tube valve maybe elements of a Chrysler or De Soto wheel, but I'm not familiar with those. I've owned Dodges and Plymouths, myself. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this GM, or something else. I would guess this is a GM wheel being a 6 lug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: This wheel has details that I don't recognize. I not an expert at anything, but I question if this wheel is Chrysler Corp at all. The perimeter pin stripe and the raised area around the inner tube valve maybe elements of a Chrysler or De Soto wheel, but I'm not familiar with those. I've owned Dodges and Plymouths, myself. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this GM, or something else. I would guess this is a GM wheel being a 6 lug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) I'm so incredibly embarrassed, I didn't even count the holes! Of, course it's GM. I've got to learn not to post when I'm tired. Edited June 5, 2016 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Edited June 5, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Click on the link below for some trucks for the 100 YEAR Centennial in CA. https://youtu.be/vvaXz03itL8 Edited June 5, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Wow, some beautiful trucks there. On the subject of artillery wheels, I just posted an inquiry about some Budd wheels that I have on the "what is it?" forum. I don't know what they fit. If any one here has any ideas, I'd sure appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Has this truck the wrong wheels and hubcaps? https://youtu.be/sPsDcHhJNA8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) 10 scallops,. 16 inch wheel, 12 scallops, 17 inches i use a 16 for spare, , because I use larger 700 i, fill wheel better, Edited June 6, 2016 by 30dodge35 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 36 in video has 16 inch wheels , correct wheels and hubcap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 hours ago, 30dodge35 said: 36 in video has 16 inch wheels , correct wheels and hubcap Yes, but more importantly, it has Plymouth passenger car wheels and not the weaker Dodge passenger car ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 hours ago, 30dodge35 said: 10 scallops,. 16 inch wheel, 12 scallops, 17 inches i use a 16 for spare, , because I use larger 700 i, fill wheel better, 12 scallops (your term) is also Dodge passenger car 16". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The 1933 Dodge car was the last year for clip hubcaps. 34 and up cars had the clips on the wheels. Don't know about the wooden spoke wheels. Have sold many caps with no clips to customers in 3 minutes ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: Yes, but more importantly, it has Plymouth passenger car wheels and not the weaker Dodge passenger car ones. What wheels are you talking about that are inferior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 hours ago, 30dodge35 said: 10 scallops,. 16 inch wheel, 12 scallops, 17 inches i use a 16 for spare, , because I use larger 700 i, fill wheel better, 5 hours ago, countrytravler said: Has this truck the wrong wheels and hubcaps? https://youtu.be/sPsDcHhJNA8 Yes. Plymouth passenger cars wheels belong on Dodge light trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, countrytravler said: The 1933 Dodge car was the last year for clip hubcaps. 34 and up cars had the clips on the wheels. Don't know about the wooden spoke wheels. Have sold many caps with no clips to customers in What wheels are you talking about that are inferior? Dave, I've talked about this before. The Dodge passenger cars wheels are easily bent because they don't have reinforcing gussets between the lug holes. I don't know why Chrysler Corp continued to use them as long as they did. I think that the proof that they knew they had a problem with them is that they sold Dodge light trucks with Plymouth wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Dave back to the truck on You Tube, it has the Plymouth style wheels on it, so I'd say they are correct for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Dave, the 36 in video has correct wheel, 16 inch Plymouth wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) On 6/5/2016 at 11:30 PM, Hudsy Wudsy said: Dave back to the truck on You Tube, it has the Plymouth style wheels on it, so I'd say they are correct for sure. According to my parts book, the Ply wheels were not available till Feb 35 when the 2nd series was produced. Regular hung doors with the solid top and crank our windshield. The truck should have the flat caps with the clips on the caps. The 33 to the 35 1st design trucks did not have the artillery wheels. Edited June 8, 2016 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, 30dodge35 said: Dave, the 36 in video has correct wheel, 16 inch Plymouth wheel I was talking about the truck in post #28. It was at our shop before it went to the show that I posted with all the trucks. It suppose to have the spoke wheels with the flat caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dodge35 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Sorry you lost me on that last response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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