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#1 TomCox

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:24 PM

Guys and Gals,
In a nutshell, GA enacted a title tax last year. They later determined that since they dont require titles for many older vehicles that those vehicles were not being taxed due to that loophole. Now they are trying to close that loophole with this bill. They either want a bill of sale to set the value of the non titled vehicles or they will set a value based upon NADA or some as yet to be determined value guide. GA residents will then pay a tax based upon these values. Below you will find the SEMA alert issued on this bill, and a description of the legislation and potential arguments to use against it. Please read it.

Also note that if the state ultimately sets a value on your vehicle using some guide...you will be taxed at the same higher values as restored vehicles even if your car is a basket case. There is no way the state can fairly determine the value of these older vehicles since they know nothing of the condition etc. This means the tax will be levied in an unfair manner, and therefore is unequal application of the law....just one more reason to defeat this bill.

Please pass this along to your friends throughout Georgia, so this bill is defeated.


Legislation (H.B. 80) introduced in the Georgia General Assembly may effectively raise taxes on untitled vehicles that remain subject to the state’s annual ad valorem tax. As a result of a law enacted last year, vehicles that are sold in the state and re-titled in the new owner’s name will be subject to a one-time tax (“New Title Fee”) beginning March 1, 2013. The “New Title Fee” will replace annual ad valorem taxes for titled vehicles sold after March 1, 2013, including vehicles sold and purchased by enthusiasts. However, pre-1963 model year vehicles are not titled and pre-1986 model year vehicles are not required to be titled, so many vehicles would remain subject to the lesser annual assessments even when transferred to a new owner.

H.B. 80 is designed to close the loophole on un-titled vehicles and would alter the definition of "fair market value” to force vehicle owners subject to the annual tax to pay more by assessing their vehicle’s value at the retail selling price or the value contained within the assessment manual, whichever is greater. Since current law requires antique, hobby, and special interest vehicles to be valued in this manual at only $100 for ad valorem tax purposes, the retail selling price will almost always be the greater of the two values.
[h=3]We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Georgia House Ways and Means Committee (List Attached Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 80[/h]
  • For purposes of ad valorem taxes on motor vehicles, "antique or hobby or special interest motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle which is 25 years old or older or a motor vehicle which has been designed and manufactured to resemble an antique or historical vehicle.
  • Under current law, pre-1986 vehicles are not required to be titled in Georgia and pre-1963 vehicles cannot be titled in Georgia, so these vehicles cannot be subjected to the “New Title Fee,” but would be subject to an increased annual ad valorem tax.
  • H.B. 80 threatens to raise the annual ad valorem tax on pre-1986 vehicles without titles by assessing their value based on the retail selling price.
  • H.B. 80 ignores the fact that many antique, classic and collectible vehicles are owned and maintained by low and fixed income Americans who are less able to afford a higher, annual tax.
  • H.B. 80 ignores the fact that these older cars are infrequently driven (about one-third the miles each year as a new vehicle) hobby cars and should not be subject to increased tax rates.
[h=3]DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the Georgia House Ways and Means Committee immediately by e-mail to request their opposition to H.B. 80.[/h]Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them tojoin the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.
[h=3]Georgia House Ways and Means Committee[/h]To e-mail all Committee members, copy and paste the email address block below:
mickey.channell@house.ga.gov;allen.peake@house.ga.gov; david.knight@house.ga.gov; Stacey.abrams@house.ga.gov;paul.battles@house.ga.gov; sharon.beasley-teague@house.ga.gov; ellis.black@house.ga.gov; bob.bryant@house.ga.gov;john.carson@house.ga.gov; terry.england@house.ga.gov; virgil.fludd@house.ga.gov;ben.harbin@house.ga.gov; brett.harrell@house.ga.gov; penny.houston@house.ga.gov;chuck.martin@house.ga.gov; howard.mosby@house.ga.gov; larry.oneal@house.ga.gov;votebjpak@gmail.com; don.parsons@house.ga.gov;alan.powell@house.ga.gov; matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov; tom.rice@house.ga.gov;lynne.riley@house.ga.gov; chuck.sims@house.ga.gov; mickey.stephens@house.ga.gov;ron.stephens@house.ga.gov; willie.talton@house.ga.gov; Wendell.willard@house.ga.gov;bruce.williamson@house.ga.gov
Representative Mickey Channell (Chairman)
Phone: 404/656-5103
Email: mickey.channell@house.ga.gov
Representative Allen Peake (Vice Chairman)
Phone: 404/656-5025
Email: allen.peake@house.ga.gov
Representative David Knight (Secretary)
Phone: 404/656-7855
Email: david.knight@house.ga.gov
Representative Stacey Abrams
Phone: 404/656-5058
Email: Stacey.abrams@house.ga.gov
Representative Paul Battles
Phone: 404/656-0152
Email: paul.battles@house.ga.gov
Representative Sharon Beasley-Teague
Phone: 404/656-0220
Email: sharon.beasley-teague@house.ga.gov
Representative Ellis Black
Phone: 404/656-0287
Email: ellis.black@house.ga.gov
Representative Bob Bryant
Phone: 404/656-0298
Email: bob.bryant@house.ga.gov
Representative John Carson
Phone: 404/656-0287
Email: john.carson@house.ga.gov
Representative Terry England
Phone: 404/463-2247
Email: terry.england@house.ga.gov
Representative Virgil Fludd
Phone: 404/656-0314
Email: virgil.fludd@house.ga.gov
Representative Ben Harbin
Phone: 404/656-3949
Email: ben.harbin@house.ga.gov
Representative Brett Harrell
Phone: 404/656-0254
Email: brett.harrell@house.ga.gov
Representative Penny Houston
Phone: 404/463-2247
Email: penny.houston@house.ga.gov
Representative Chuck Martin
Phone: 404/656-5064
Email: chuck.martin@house.ga.gov
Representative Howard Mosby
Phone: 404/656-0287
Email: howard.mosby@house.ga.gov
Representative Larry O`Neal
Phone: 404/656-5052
Email: larry.oneal@house.ga.gov
Representative B.J. Pak
Phone: 404/656-0254
Email: votebjpak@gmail.com
Representative Don Parsons
Phone: 404/656-9198
Email: don.parsons@house.ga.gov
Representative Alan Powell
Phone: 404/656-0202
Email: alan.powell@house.ga.gov
Representative Matt Ramsey
Phone: 404/656-7146
Email: matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov
Representative Tom Rice
Phone: 404/656-5912
Email: tom.rice@house.ga.gov
Representative Lynne Riley
Phone: 404/656-0188
Email: lynne.riley@house.ga.gov
Representative Chuck Sims
Phone: 404/656-7855
Email: chuck.sims@house.ga.gov
Representative Mickey Stephens
Phone: 404/656-0116
Email: mickey.stephens@house.ga.gov
Representative Ron Stephens
Phone: 404/656-5115
Email: ron.stephens@house.ga.gov
Representative Willie Talton
Phone: 404/656-5116
Email: willie.talton@house.ga.gov
Representative Wendell Willard
Phone: 404/656-5125
Email: Wendell.willard@house.ga.gov
Representative Bruce Williamson
Phone: 404/656-7859
Email: bruce.williamson@house.ga.gov

#2 West Peterson

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Thanks for posting, Tom. And thanks for spending so much time (and money) as a watchdog for the entire collector car community.

West Peterson, Editor
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#3 MrEarl

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:02 PM

Thanks indeed Tom. I have emailed all those listed as well passed the word around to friends via email.

It appears Harry Geisinger mailto:harry.geisinger@house.ga.gov and Tom Rice mailto:tqgrice@aol.com are sponsoring the bill so would be the ones to really seek explanations from and let know that all antique auto enthusiasts don't have deep pockets like the ones they see on TV at Barret Jackson.

House is in session from January 28 - March 5th, so we need to get the word out now, if it isn't already too late.

Here's the long version > http://www.legis.ga..../20132014/HB/80

Edited by MrEarl, 05 February 2013 - 06:10 PM.


Lamar in Athens, Georgia BCA- 39474
ROA - 14537

1954 BUICK - THE BEAUTIFUL BUY
1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB
1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup
1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT 3 Speed - '54 Muscle aka Morning Glory
1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan-The Blue Bird
An assortment of 14 '54,'55,'56 parts cars

No dog ever peed on a moving Buick

BUICK is to drivin as soul food is to eatin


#4 MrEarl

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:29 PM

TTT

Lamar in Athens, Georgia BCA- 39474
ROA - 14537

1954 BUICK - THE BEAUTIFUL BUY
1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB
1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup
1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT 3 Speed - '54 Muscle aka Morning Glory
1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan-The Blue Bird
An assortment of 14 '54,'55,'56 parts cars

No dog ever peed on a moving Buick

BUICK is to drivin as soul food is to eatin


#5 rocketraider

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

City I live in tried using NADA values to set tax values on old cars way back in 1990, with predictable results.

At the time I owned a 73 Delta 88 convertible that had been a $100 car for taxes for years. The year NADA set the tax values, it suddenly became a $2000 car for tax purposes- a 2000% increase in value on the same car in the same condition. Naturally I challenged it, but the city tax folks could not explain to me why that car had suddenly become so much more valuable as a taxable asset. They kept mumbling about NADA had set the values by the serial numbers. So, I asked, why is that VIN worth so much more than all other 1973 Oldsmobiles, which were still all $100 cars for taxes? I knew it was because of the convertible designation, but it was the principle of the thing. I was really glad when that car hit 25 yrs old and I could put antique tags on it, and get it out of the personal property tax system completely, though I'm sure our friendly local Vajenya legislator will try to monkey with that again soon.

Friend had a 67 Camaro that was really little more than a parts car, and they socked him with a tax bill based on a fully restored #1 car. He took pictures of the car to the tax office and still ended up having to get a lawyer involved to make the revenue hounds back off.

Reagan was right about guvmink mindset: "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it."
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#6 MrEarl

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

Update


Yea(159)Nay(4)


Who voted how House Vote #54 - 2013-2014 Regular Session


Final Bill - HB 80 2013-2014 Regular Session

Lamar in Athens, Georgia BCA- 39474
ROA - 14537

1954 BUICK - THE BEAUTIFUL BUY
1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB
1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup
1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT 3 Speed - '54 Muscle aka Morning Glory
1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan-The Blue Bird
An assortment of 14 '54,'55,'56 parts cars

No dog ever peed on a moving Buick

BUICK is to drivin as soul food is to eatin





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