West Peterson Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I hate to start this up all over again, but we cannot seem to find all the previous information. I have located one of the reproduction bumper step plates for the 1931 Packard roadster. On the bottom is a number, but I don't know if it's an original Packard number or what. It is: P7547I think it was Restorer32 who was coming up with the cross referencing for step plates that fit cars with and without rear-mounted spares. This post and the next two will have photos of the step plate attached.The question is: Is this the correct step plate for Tom's 1931 Packard 833? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Number 2 (I mean, the second) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Number 3 (I mean, Number 3) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 An 833 Rumble Seat Coupe would be body type 468. If equipped with sidemounts the lower step is # 176674. If equipped with a rear spare the # is 175145. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Does the number I gave mean anything? P7547Someone has scribbled "840" on the plate. Does your book give numbers for 840?The size of the step -- 6.5 x 7" plus another 1.5 inches for the bolt pad.Tom, maybe what you can do is copy the photo taken from the top, and increase it to match the 6.5x7", print it out, cut it out and see if it will fit by holding it up to your bumper and bracket.???Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 West,Thanks for posting the pictures and starting a new thread.Restorer32Thanks for the part numbers.Now is this the corect one for my car?Would anyone have a picture of how it is mounted?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom, maybe what you can do is copy the photo taken from the top, and increase it to match the 6.5x7", print it out, cut it out and see if it will fit by holding it up to your bumper and bracket.???</div></div> That be a great idea but the bumpers are up in the attic. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 The bolt pad you see is what attaches to the end bolt at the very end of your bumper. The other "mount", I'm not sure what it attaches to, unless it possibly rests on the bumper bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 For the 840 the #s are 181728 for the rear mount and 181710 for the side mounted cars. The P # you have doesn't jive with anything in the Packard parts manuals. In all instances the #s are the same for convertibles and coupes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 The second "mount" is supposed to be notched so that it fits around the one side of the bumper bracket with a plate bolted to it to hold the bumper bracket, much like how the bumper brackets are held to the frame ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Reproduction sand cast step plates never have this notch cast in because it is not possible (or at least extremely difficult) to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Restorer32,Where are you finding these part numbers? I am doing a search of my scanned Service Parts List and it doesn't come up with anything for them numbers or not even a search for step plate? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Service parts list. You have to check all the listings for rumble seat, then look over the list until you find rumble seat step plate lower. Check all the index listings for rumble seat until you find your particular application, in your case Body Type 468. I have the paper version, didn't know it had been scanned. In my experience with Packard parts, if it's a different #, it's a different part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I scanned mine to Adobe and it has an option to read graphics as text. Guess it is not 100% <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1956Packard Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 What follows are three pictures as to how it mounts. Sorry, It's minus 13 out at the moment and I'm not keen on laying on my back to scrape off the dirt to see the number - unless someone plys me with liquor...Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1956Packard Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Number 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1956Packard Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Number 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Geoff,How are you?Thanks for taking the time to go out in the cold to take the pictures for us. Does your car have side mounted spares?What is your flavor of liquor? Brandy, Jack, Tequila? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1956Packard Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Tom:Doing good, but too busy.Dual Sidemounts.Depends on the time of year. These days either 151 proof Bacardi rum or 100 proof Canadian Club. In the summer I dip into a selection of fine tequilas picked up during trips down south.I've also been known to mix up large jugs of Hurricanes.Bottom line....I'm not fussy.Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Your step plate looks a little different then the one West posted. But that one will do good for my purpose of the car.Hurricanes ahh first time I had one of them My mom and stepfather took us over to New Orleans (that is when they were living down in Mobile Alabama at the time). We were laying around by the pool the day before we went and I got sun burn. That Hurricane sure killed the pain if you know what I mean <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Slightly different on the front side, but that shouldn't make any difference. The mounting all looks the same. Thanks to Geoff for the photos on how the second mount works. The interesting thing is that from the looks of Geoff's car, unrestored, the step plate is not chrome plated, and quite rough looking (no offense intended, Geoff). Tom and I had a discussion about this. It seems that most restored cars have the step plates chrome plated, or am I mistaken? Just what is the correct finish supposed to look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I've never seen an original that was other than polished aluminum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Then the ones we see on cars that are chromed are not original?Attach is a quick 3d model with the ruff dimensions West gave me. What you think? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Okay how is this one. Man standing on step plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Based on Geof's photos, I think you've got the "notch" for the bumper bracket on the wrong side, but that may be a decision to make once you get the part in hand and prepare it for your bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 awe someone had to catch something. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> That is an easy fix. But wouldn't be to easy if it were the real deal. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <span style="font-style: italic">If you all ever need anything modeled let me know I can give it a whirl for you.</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never seen an original that was other than polished aluminum. </div></div>Okay. Then the ones I've seen are so nicely polished, they look almost chrome. The reason I asked, is because the step on Geoff's car looks like a cast finish rather than a polished finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 It sure is nice to see that there are cars still out there in their original state. It sure helps all of us that are doing restoration work on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I have had this discussion several times with folks restoring Packards. Naturally, everyone wants a nice smooth, fefect free polished casting. Another area where over restoration has become the norm. Gotta admit though, when I do my own car I'm gonna want those steps as pretty as possible. I suppose there may be some steps out there that have been plated but I've never seen an original like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 fefect free = defect free...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 James posted a link in the BUY/SELL of a '31 Packard for sale. It has a rear mounted spare. Strike out this comment <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">The step plate looks like the one West posted.</span> </span> I have a bad monitor here <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1956Packard Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... from the looks of Geoff's car, unrestored, the step plate is not chrome plated, and quite rough looking (no offense intended, Geoff)... </div></div>No offense taken. I am proud of the unrestored cars I have owned over the years. This car is about 97% original - sitting in indoor storage since the 50's. Don't get me wrong it needs mechanical, but I will limit the work on the other stuff. Anyway, I am quite certain that this step was never plated - polished maybe but I'm not sure of that. It feels like a rough casting to me. From a practicality standpoint would you want to put your foot on a slippery polished aluminium surface??I think my photo makes it look rougher that it actually is. I would say that it is consistent with the one shown on the Hyman car for sale.Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I am sure glad West found this one for me. That is one thing I can put that to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">James posted a link in the BUY/SELL of a '31 Packard for sale. It has a rear mounted spare. The step plate looks like the one West posted. </div></div>Tom. Take a closer look. It's quite a bit different, as the bumper end itself wraps around. See the angle of the right side of the plate? The mounting point is totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hi West,Yes I did notice that after looking at the picture again. I was just to lazy to retract that phrase from my previous post. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I know old post but since my restoration is coming along and bumpers will be hung in the next month or so.I am in need of a picture or two of the drivers side rear bumper attachment. Was at a car show yesterday and saw a '31 convert there and the mounting looks different then what is on my car and am curious if mine has been modified or ????Thanks for all the help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 Good to ask, as I've seen a lot of restored Packards with some interesting owner modifications. Don't be too quick to assume it was yours that was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 Does this help at all? It's a 1930 standard eight that I photographed while in Topeka last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) West that is exactly like the one I saw at the show yesterday. Thank you very much for the quick reply.FYI mine looks like the one in the above picture of the green car. The two extra brackets I guess were install since the car was missing the step plate.Would you know or anyone else on here where I can fins the little chrome ball that goes between the two bumpers?Attach is a reference picture I took before I started to disassemble the car. Edited June 22, 2010 by Packin31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) Two extra brackets??? I'm not following you. Yours looks correct.ALSO. I wouldn't put a LOT of credence in the photo that I posted. There were some other things about that car that I didn't think were correct. It was restored very nicely, but I'm not sure if some of the stuff that was restored was correct for the car.I recently saw (on eBay maybe) a reproduction of the complete bolt and spacer. It was some pie-in-the-sky price of $700 or more if I recall. I'm not sure why it was so much. It doesn't seem like a lot of tool-and-die work, or casting???? Edited June 22, 2010 by West Peterson (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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