Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Tbirdman & anyone else with '32 experience, I noticed in my pictures that the dash on all '32s are Not done the same. All '29s have the same completely woodgrained panel with thin chrome bezels around the guage holes. Some '32s have a woodgrained back panel (including glovebox doors), with a painted or plated center gauge panel and some have a woodgrained gauge panel with painted back panel. How is your's made? Are all the variations correct for that year, depending on body style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 This is how I'm doing mine since I have found this to be the most correct. The dash should be a burled wood grain. The dash should be for both 8s and 12s engined turned. For 8's it should be a shiny black while the 12s should be a shiny silvery. The difference you see in the center are probably due to it be difficult to reproduce the center dash piece. On the 8's the edges of the glove box doors should be a solid brown. On 12s there should be chromed.Robert Turnquist in his book The Packard Story indicated in the chapter on 32s that was the finish on the 32s.I found someone reproducing those center panels for both 8s and 12s for $750 who was at Hershey. I had no idea I was going to find this at Hershey so I was overjoyed.Here's a picture of the original from my dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Here's a picture of the reproduction part, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 So are you saying the ones with woodgrained gauge panel, like this one, are done Incorrectly? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> To me they look the best, altho the engine-turned panels look great also. See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here's another one. See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here's a '32 901 Sedan that doesn't appear to have any woodgraining or engine-turning at all? See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here's one that seems to be the most common configuration, with grained back panel and I think a painted gauge panel. Tbirdman, is the way your's is made? See Attachment: BTW, this one appears to be grained with type graining tool that I have, because the dash I did before looks very much like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Here's one that seems to be the most common configuration, with grained back panel and I think a painted gauge panel. Tbirdman, is the way your's is made? See Attachment: BTW, this one appears to be grained with type graining tool that I have, because the dash I did before looks very much like this one. </div></div>It's hard to tell from the picture if the center piece has engine turning or has been painted. Mine had faded to the point that it was hard to tell. The grain is wrong on the one picture. Also the seating pattern is wrong. I have attached a picture of my dash which is original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here's a picture of the front seat pattern. 4 pleats with button on each pleat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here's the rumble seat patterm. I believe these are factory pictures. Whether there was more than one pattern that was correct, I don't know. I also have an advertisement from 1931 which shows the coupe roadster with pleated seats.I plan to do my upholstery like these pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 My son-in-law did the dash of a 1950 Packard that the previous idiot had sandblasted and painted brown. This was his first attempt. IMHO it turned out great. No woodgraining kit, just freehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 One more pic. He did all the window mouldings, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The main problem with woodgraining the type dash used in '29 is those peskey little chrome bezels around gauge holes. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> They are impossible to remove without damaging them and they get in the way when trying to do the graining with a graining-tool. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> So I'll keep some small brushes handy to try to repair the graining around the holes. Wood graining with paint, on those panels, takes some artistic ability and is Not an exact art, that's for Sure. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Miller Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Is your 1932 Packard a Light Eight, Standard Eight, Deluxe Eight or Custom Eight? Also the center board is called the instrument panel; the entire board is called the dashboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Ed, Do you know which '32 models had the woodgrain gauge (instrument) panel, with painted dash back panel? Do you know if they were done the same in '33 and '34, as for model types having the same panel configurations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is your 1932 Packard a Light Eight, Standard Eight, Deluxe Eight or Custom Eight? Also the center board is called the instrument panel; the entire board is called the dashboard. </div></div>I have a deluxe eight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Miller Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 tbirdman, a Deluxe Eight has a painted woodgrain over metal dashboard.The instrument panel is painted a very dark color which I believe is black. Chrome is incorrect but looks good. Also the woodgrain above the dashboard was painted over metal except for those who chose wood which was used on Twelves in 1933 and 1934 and I believe 1932 also.Packard used a differant Dashboard for each of its models. The Light Eight has the oval instrument panel and glove boxes with no surround. The Standard Eight may be identical to the Deluxe Eight. The Custom Eight is identical to the Twelves. The Twelve instrument panel came in two versions, an early and a late. i hope this helps you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Miller Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I have seen a Light Eight with a woodgrain painted instrument panel, but I don't believe that is correct. I don't remember for certain what is the correct finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tbirdman, a Deluxe Eight has a painted woodgrain over metal dashboard.The instrument panel is painted a very dark color which I believe is black. Chrome is incorrect but looks good. Also the woodgrain above the dashboard was painted over metal except for those who chose wood which was used on Twelves in 1933 and 1934 and I believe 1932 also.Packard used a differant Dashboard for each of its models. The Light Eight has the oval instrument panel and glove boxes with no surround. The Standard Eight may be identical to the Deluxe Eight. The Custom Eight is identical to the Twelves. The Twelve instrument panel came in two versions, an early and a late. i hope this helps you. </div></div>I have 32 Deluxe fact book. It descrbes the instrument panel as being black tooled surrounded by chrome. My original panel is a engined turned with what looks like a shiny black oxide color. I don't think this panels were painted but the material on which the engine turn was done was black. I took some metal polish to my dash and it clean up very nice and I think would be very usable. The repo piece though black is shinier. I may have to consider using the original.The dash and the trim pieces are described as a dark walnut burl. I agree that this is painted on wood graining and I believe the door pieces and the piece above the dash was a dark walnut burl. My dash that I took out is a definte dark walnut burk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So are you saying the ones with woodgrained gauge panel, like this one, are done Incorrectly? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> To me they look the best, altho the engine-turned panels look great also. See Attachment: </div></div>That is not a standard or deluxe 8 instrument panel for 32. Could it been the light 8 900 for 32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Here's a pic of the car that the first dash pic is from. A 900, correct. See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 The dash you have pictured is from a 900 and is entirely different from the other 1932 models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The dash you have pictured is from a 900 and is entirely different from the other 1932 models. </div></div> Yes, we had figured that out. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Hopefully someday I'll be able to get a 900, because it is definitly one of my Favorite cars. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Who ever designed that car did everything exactly like I would have designed it. (Except maybe the E-brake shaft <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />) Here's a pic of another 900 Beauty. See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I'm kinda partial to the 900 myself. We have two convertibles and a coupe sedan in the shop now for restoration and I have an unrestored conv of my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Here's a graining tool similar to the one I have. With a little practice it does a Great job. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They work in both stain and Paint.http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAR-WOOD-GRAINING-TO...VQQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 This looks like a good design. http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/item/10830/icn/20-732636/warner/16.htm I can't find one for doing Burled graining tho? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This looks like a good design. http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/item/10830/icn/20-732636/warner/16.htm I can't find one for doing Burled graining tho? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>The Grain-it Company has the burl pattern. The pattern is all in the pattern plate that you use to pick up with a roller.Yes, the 900 is a nice car, and one can get a coupe roadster for about a 1/3 for what they want a "senior" one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Another good company is Woodgrain by Estes. They use original plates from NCR, and do excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 You Rich guys forget that we Texas Cow-Pokes can't afford your Fancy-Dan Roller Systems, <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> so we have to make do with our $8. tools and a brush, or it Don't Get Done. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Right now, I'm saving my pennies, to order a new Hood-ornament/Rad.Cap from Don Sommer, tho. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I desided not to skimp on that Baby, since it's 'Up-front and in your Face' where everyone can see her. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It's all 'A matter of Priorities'. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Right now, I'm saving my pennies, to order a new Hood-ornament/Rad.Cap from Don Sommer, tho. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I desided not to skimp on that Baby, since it's 'Up-front and in your Face' where everyone can see her. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It's all 'A matter of Priorities'. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>I'm saving my pennies for the dual pilot rays from Don Summer. I've already spent all my dollars <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I had actually budgeted this work when I bought the car, however as normal, I'm over budget. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I decided not to skimp on that Baby, since it's 'Up-front and in your Face' where everyone can see her. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It's all 'A matter of Priorities'. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>That's exactly why I like to have the dash done professionally, because it is even more "Up-front and in your Face." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why I like to have the dash done professionally, because it is even more "Up-front and in your Face." </div></div> After I do mine, I May Agree with you, but I have to give it a Try first, or I would never forgive myself for paying all that money for something I can do just as well. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> And since it only takes a few minutes to do, I can always wipe or sand it off and redo it, if I don't like it the first time, or the second time, or the third time, etc. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 'Experience is Good' Are We Having Fun Yet? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And since it only takes a few minutes to do, I can always wipe or sand it off and redo it, if I don't like it the first time, or the second time, or the third time, etc. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> 'Experience is Good' Are We Having Fun Yet? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>Sounds like the same way I work with front shocks!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 The shop that is doing the metal work on my car has a lady that works for him that does it all by hand. I will see if I can get some pictures of her work. I was thinking of using her but I am getting a little tight on budget with all the extra metal work that had to be done.I may have to splurge (or maybe I can get a Christmas present from the wife) and at least get the dashboard done before I reinstall it. As stated above it is not an easy task to R&R it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Miller Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Werner Gubitz designed the Series 900 Light Eight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Miller Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 tbirdman, it sounds like you have an early Twin Six instrument panel. By the way my Packards are of 1933 and 1934 vintage. It was tough enough discerning the correct instrument panel colors for those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Thanks for the Info, Ed Mr. Gubitz was a real Artist. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JT Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 West, did you leave the camber pilots in place when you removed front shocks?Also were both sides the same as far as the offset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Yes. And yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I found a pic of the dash panel and trim piece, that I did for the 626. I forgot that my wife had taken this picture. That's my ear in upper right of picture. The dash board has a little more suttle graining than the trim piece, which I think they had originally. Many people make the graining with too much contrast, they use colors that are too different. That makes it look more fake. Note the tool kit compartment in right kick-panel (copy of original). That was fun to make on the 'ol sewing machine. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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