Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Well, even tho I don't have room to park another car, I got another on eBay. I couldn't pass this one up, since it was local and I always wanted a RumbleSeat Coupe. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I will need some help finding some parts that are missing, tho. So if anyone has a: Headlight, front bumper, 2 outside door & 2 window handles or trunk-lid for a '29, for sale, Please let me know. Thanks I'm sure there will be other parts missing but that's the ones I know about, so far, that I don't have already. It has the hood, one head light and 6 wood wheels. That's another thing I always wanted, a car with wood wheels. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />I think I'll have to change that Dark-Red paint job, tho. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> See Attached picture: <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Congrats. Looks like it is a driver <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. Good Luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Tom, Do you know if any of the '30 or '31 Coupe body parts will fit a '29?I think it's a Dietrich body, (That's what the seller said anyway). The trunk-lid and side door (golfbag compartment door) are the main things I'm wondering about? I know the trunk lid is missing and I think the side compartment door is damaged. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I may have to wait until after NewYears before I can go get it, and really check everything out. This must be a Very rare car? I found several '29 645 Roadsters on the Packard-Club website, but None with side windows, Cabriolet style? I guess they called that a Coupe, Not a cabriolet, even tho it had a soft top, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the '29 319 and 385 engines, by looking at them? Both my other '29 engines are 319s and the Coupe I bought should have a 385, so I was wondering how to tell the difference, without measureing the piston diameter? I'd think they would look different below the water jacket on left side of engine, since 385 should be larger there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dang, Where are All the Packard Experts, when you Need them? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Anyone out there have a '29 Coupe? I'm going to need some help restoring this one, since there are so many parts missing. (If you don't know what it should Look like, you Can't Make it look Original) You can quote me on that. LOL <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Rick,I do not know if 30, 31 parts will fit the 29. I inherited my 31 in 1996 and I am still learning the in and outs about it. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Okay, Tom, If you happen to see a rumble-seat trunk lid laying around somewhere, Let me Know. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I found a picture of a '29 640 Coupe that looks very simular.I hope I can get mine to look that good or Better. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If you look closely at the above coupe, it appears to have larger than normal rear window. I've heard that is a real problem with the Small stock rear window having Poor visibility behind you, in Coupes, so I will probably enlarge it also for safety. I hate to make changes, but some things are a necessity, and being able to change lanes safely, is one of them. I know I have that problem with my '34 Ford Cabriolet, and it has a rear window that is much larger than '29 Packard Coupe. Anyone here have that problem, with a Coupe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Maybe I do Too many fast lane changes. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Those little rear windows just don't work for me. I can't let those Hondas out maneuver me. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I'm not a 1929 Packard 645 expert, but I do believe the 645 has a lot of parts that are not interchangable with the lower series Packard of that year. I believe the 645 hood & radiator were about 1 1/2 to 2 inches taller than the 640, thus the whole body may be a bit taller as well = not interchangable with 633 or 640 parts. Try calling Henry Yeska, I bet he'd know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 K8096, You are right that the radiators are about 1.5 inches taller on some Packards of that era, but I believe only on full custom cars. Even though this car may be a Dietrich (in name only), it probably has the normal sized radiator. If you need to replace the radiator on a custom car, $$$ ($2,000). The engine on the 640-645, I think is six inches longer. The overal length difference between the 640 and 645, is in back. The "turtle deck" is longer, so I don't think just any trunk lid will do. You may have to fabricate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Thanks for the info guys. I'll try to get some measurements this afternoon. West, I'm curious what you meant by 'it may a Dietrich in Name only'? Did Dietrich do partial work on some bodies and the complete build on others, or do you mean standard versus custom designs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> West, I'm curious what you meant by 'it may a Dietrich in Name only'? Did Dietrich do partial work on some bodies and the complete build on others, or do you mean standard versus custom designs? </div></div>I mean, as opposed to his "full custom" cars. I'm don't think his shop built the "standard" cars, even though his name was on them. Packard was just giving him credit for the design.There's a picture of a full-custom Dietrich coupe (in 1928 guise, which, I believe, should be the same as 1929) in Hugo Pfau's "Coachbuilt Packard" book. There's also a picture of a full custom 645 convertible coupe ("Standard convertible coupe wasn't available on the 645 chassis.). Neither of which shares the belt line that your car has. It would be my opinion that you have a "standard" body number "378" coupe. Your car was near the top of the line for regular cataloged cars, costing $5,385, plus $240 for dual sidemounts, and $102 for the wood-spoked wheels.I see two 1929 645 2/4 passenger coupes listed with the Classic Car Club. I'll send you a PM with contact information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Thanks for the Info, West I went over to check out the car and it IS a 645 with 385 engine. The 385 (at 35") is 4" longer than 319 (at 31"), at the head. The radiator is about 2" taller than the one in my 626. (31" versus 29") It would seem logical that they would use the taller radiator on all cars with the larger 385 engine?I couldn't find an engine number (too much crud covering it, if it has one) but I think the car Serial # is 173661. There are a lot more body parts missing than the seller said, so it's going to be a major job to restore. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> The good news it that it has 2 generators. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Evidently the original charging circuit quit so someone added a late '30s type gen. and regulator and left the old gen. in place, since the timing chain also goes to gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 The engine number will be on the top of the left front engine mount.I believe the radiator difference of 1.5 inches that K8096 made was in reference to what was between a "normal" 645 and an individual custom 645. I'm not sure of that, but I do know that the Individual custom 745 of 1930 DOES have a taller radiator than the "regular "745", as I've been looking for the taller radiator to replace on a 745 LeBaron town car. Your radiator may not be as difficult to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I also noticed something else i didn't know about 645s. It had 2 sets of rear leaf-springs, one above axle and one below. Both appeared to be strong enough by itself, so I'm not sure why they had both. It does have a trainer hitch so maybe the second set was added to handle trailer weight? Has anyone seen a '29 with double rear springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbartlett Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 The head on a '29 Super 8 engine is about 37 inches long, excluding the vertical portion on which you mount the top radiator hose.Seems like I recall seeing the photos on e-bay that showed the hood of your car, and it had four doors on the side. That's a Super-8 hood. Standard eights in those years had louvers, with three-door hoods optional in 1930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Yes, I'm sure it's a Super-8 engine and hood but I'm starting to think it has a later model head on it, since it's only 35" long and has 10mm plug holes? I guess all 385s had same head bolt spacing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 With West Peterson's help I was able to find someone that lives about 20 miles from me that has a fully restored 645 Coupe. He doesn't do restoration so he couldn't answer many of my questions but he gave me the name of his mechanic and offered to let me come over and take pictures and check out his car. So after NewYears I'll take my digicam and my 'Big Tool Box' and really check out his car. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Hey, he said I could check it Out. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I wonder how hard it is to remove the head liner in a Coupe. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Angelo if you read this, I'm Only Kidding. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigKev Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Not sure if this will fit or not, but here is a windshield and frame for a 29 open Packard.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/classic-p...599543217QQrdZ1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigKev Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 The same ebay seller has some other '29 parts out there. So take a look at what else he may have. Hopefully there maybe something you can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Thanks, Kev But I can have flat windshields made locally for a lot less money and I don't think the rubber seal will be a problem either. Keep looking tho, I appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 I found a picture of the correct '29 385 head, and it has an extended area (of about 2") at front with 2 head bolts thru it, where thermostat is. The head on my engine doesn't have that and the bolt holes in block are pluged, so it definently is a later model head. The '29 319 engine doesn't have those 2 bolts. It appears that it had been driven that way but maybe someone just stuck it on to look more complete. I'll have to pull the head to make sure everything is lineing up, in a few weeks. Man, finding the correct head for that engine is NOT going to be Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 You still aren't sure that what you have is in fact a '29 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Yes, that's true (by the number), but isn't it true that later design engines didn't have the generator driven by timeing-chain? If that's true then it has to be the same type engine as used in '29 (except for the head on it)? Since it has chain driven generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Timing chain driven generators were used at least thru '32 and I believe '33 as well. There were changes in the engines thruout. The # would eliminate any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Okay, Thanks for the Info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 A correct '29 head would not have a thermostat in the head but rather a "Sylphon" thermostat in the top radiator tank to control the grill louvers. Correct? I believe the '32 900 was the first Packard engine with an in-head thermostat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 No, there is a thermostat housing that is part of the head, on both the 385 and the 319. But the head that's on My 385 doesn't have that. I'll have to wait until I can clean it up and get a better look. Any way you look at it, I'm going to need a real Super-8 head if anyone knows where I can pick one up. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Here's a picture of a '29 Super-8 385 engine. You can see the 2 head bolt nuts on each side of thermostat housing, that the Standard-8 319 doesn't have, but the 319 has a similar thermostat housing. See Attachment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Is there supposed to be a Dome-light in top of a 645 Coupe? If so, is it mounted in center of top or behind seats? Is it same type light used in Sedans, with scrolled, german-silver bezel? I hope it is, cause I have an extra one of those. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I found a picture of the Coupe dome-light and it's not the same as the Sedan type that I have. The corners of bezel curve out on sedan type and in on the coupe type. But the one I have will work until I find the correct one. I'll probably have to 'Make Do' in many areas of this restoration project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Is a '29 Convertible-Coupe Worth more than a normal Coupe, on the Sellers Market? Since my new 645 doesn't have a top, I could go either way when restoring. The Conv. top would probably be easier to make and cost less in parts? And Conv. tops are Way-Cool. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillP Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I'm not sure without looking, but I think the gen is timing chain driven on my 320 inch '34. Also the grille shutters are sylphon-operated. This car is original with papers and numbers all the way back so I reckon it's as-built. Will look if anybody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure without looking, but I think the gen is timing chain driven on my 320 inch '34. Will look if anybody cares. </div></div> Yes, Bill, I surely would like to know if '34 had chain driven Generator? Cause I thought it did also. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeTFlex Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 For SPEEDSTER -At the moment I can't recall when the generators on the "Senior" eights STOPPED being "chain driven" (the Twelves were all BELT driven thru out 1932-1939 production). I know for certain the '34 Eights were CHAIN driven, but cant at the moment recall when or if the so called "Senior" eights later ever had belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I pulled that Strange head from the 385 engine today. So far everything looks pretty good in the Top end. No cracks found, tops of pistons and Cylinder-walls looked good (no rust or corrosion pits). The valves looked badly burnt, and one looked like there was a piece broken out at seat. Of course about 10 of the water-jacket-cover bolts broke off in block, that will have to be drilled out, but that's normal. The float type oil-gauge still works. I'll have to wait until I lift the body off frame, to drop the pan and check bottom end, since it's still on flat-bed trailer, and I don't want to get under it until I can get it on solid ground. After lifting body and rolling the chassis off trailer, I'll start working on chassis while I'm rounding up parts to restore the body. There sure are some deep-pockets buyers on eBay now, after the same parts I need. I've been getting outbid on almost everything and I've been biding very high. I may have to fabricate more parts than I intended to, if I can't buy any originals. If you see any '29 or early '30s parts for sale, Please let me know. You name it, I probably need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Surprise! Surprise! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> While cleaning the Head, I found a Patent date of, Nov. 13 1928, but nothing else on the head. So, I think that tells me that 10mm spark plugs were used as early as 1929? (There is definently No adapters in the plug holes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I found that I need to replace some Lug-bolts. They are the long ones (4" overall length), for wood wheels. I did a search and the only one I found that had any was Henry Yeska and he wants $18. each for them since they are polished Stainless-Steel. I need only paintable steel type, like originals. Does anyone have any of these in their Pocket or know where I can get some? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks, I checked Hemmings, Kanter and MaxMerritt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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