joe40pac Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I am restoring a 1940 Packard 110, 4dsd, and it is missing the trunk emblem and it has been painted over. I have no idea what it looks like. The mounting holes on the center of the trunk are 3 1/4 inches apart. Does anyone have photos that could help? The emblems I have seen are long and narrow shields that don't appear to be that wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 I don't think the '40 110 had a Trunk Emblem.I have pictures of two 110s and neither has one, just handle and license plate. See Attached picture: The 180 had a wide light fixture, under license plate, that mounted higher on Trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe40pac Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 I have a 4dsd and am quite certain that it had some type of emblem. Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckle frank Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 rick is right, I have a '40 110 business coupe and the only thing on the back that says "packard" is the bumber. I have a 1940 sales brochure that shows this also if you need a photo copy to convince you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Frank Does your brochure show the trunk of a sedan?I looked at my pictures again and both of the 110s I have, are Coupes.I was wondering the the Sedans may have had something different than the Coupes,since they had a different trunk-lid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckle frank Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 trunk on the sedan has a small "fleur-de-lis" type emblem halfway between the handle and the upper lip of the hump trunk but this is at the front of the brochure and doesnt say wether its a 110 or 120 view, the only rear view I have is of the 110 and 120 coupes and either they used the same pic for both or neither coupe has a emblem, but the pic of the 120 has whitewalls and the 110 business coupe doesn't, the parts manual states this emblem was for the 1802 series and up as was the packard crest, the super eights, so some had them but not the 6 cyl. series, attached is a stock 1940 120 coupe, notice no emblem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoPack Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Here is a picture of a 1940 120 rear view. Looks like it might be a license plate holder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 joe40pack,Here's the facts: From the 1935-1941 Packard Parts List. Group 31.151 EMBLEM, Trunk #349868 (Fleur-de-lis) Models 1372-6-7-82-4-92-4-6-7 #353148 (Packard shield) Models 1372-6-7-82-4-92-4-6-7.Model 1382 is the Packard Six 4-Door Touring sedan. The 1940 One-Ten One-Twenty sales brochure shows the Fleur-de-lis on the trunk of a sedan. You have a choice of two emblems. Moral: Always research authentic factory documentation!jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Very Strange, Both your 110 Coupe and the 120 Sedan have the same license-plate light fixture that is on the pictured 180 I have,(just mounted different places), but both 110 Coupes pictures, that I have, have a smaller fixture that is part of handle assembly. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Now, I'm really confused on this one ???My guess is that the Sedans used the larger plate-light-fixture (mounted higher) and coupes used either the smaller older type handle or the larger fixture, depending on what was on hand at that factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Okay, John I didn't see your data before sending the previous Post. (I think my ISP is having big problems today) Does your data explain why supposedly stock '40 110 Coupes have Different trunk handles and plate-light-fixtures? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JT Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 John's right on the two deck emblem being available. The fleur-de-lis was the introductory ornament and the Packard crest was used very soon after the introduction of the 40 model. The fleur-de-lis also used wider mounting holes so you should be able to determine which one was used although I bet it's the Packard crest. The 110,120 and 160 sedans were the only ones to use the deck emblem. This info is covered in detailed in Jim Hollingsworth's 1940 Packard book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John N. Packard Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Rick, The trunk handle/lamp license data in the Packard 35-41 parts book is a little confusing. Under group 31.173 Handle, Trunk lid lock (with key lock) part number 353192 is listed for use with a trunk rack on both models 1382 (sedan) and 1385 (coupe). Part number 356606 (Lamp License) is listed for models 1382 and 1385. Under group 30.634 Lamp (License) Assembly part number 348692 (with handle) is listed for models 1382 and 1385. Part number 348895 (with trunk rack) is listed for model 1382, (not listed for 1385). Under each of these group numbers there is a reference to the other. So it appears that one handle/lock assembly is used with a trunk rack and the other for vehicles without the trunk rack. One lamp assembly is used with the trunk handle on vehicles without a trunk rack, another is used for vehicles with a trunk rack. No illustrations are given. Hope this helps!jnp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Thanks for the Data, John You may be onto something there but the problem is both types I've see on Coupes,(mounted Low on Lid) the license-plate would be blocked from view by a TrunkRack. I don't think I've ever seen a '40/'41 Coupe with a TrunkRack. They always mounted the License-Plate up higher or to the side, if a TrunkRack was installed, and that would be hard to do on the slanted Lid of a coupe. Oh well, Maybe I'm getting too Picky here, I just always like a Mystery. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard Don Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) PAckards with fleur-de-lis had side by side mounting holes and, as mentioned above, was used on the early '40 110. The vertically mounted emblem was used later although I've seen coupes with no emblem at all. Earlier models also have squished bumper ends while later cars had the ends as the same width as the rest of the bumper. I doubt the two things changed at the same time.Also, the vehicles with the optional luggage rack used the same type of license plate holder found on the 1939 models so that it mounted high up on the lid to not be blocked by the rack or trunk. These likey did not have an emblem as it would have been in much the same location as the license plate. Models without the rack had the handle/plate holder at the bottom of the deck lid. Having said that, I've seen many convertibles and coupes without emblems so possibly it was found only on the sedans and station wagons. On the latter, I've seen only the verticle emblem and not the fleur-de-lis. Edited November 24, 2013 by Packard Don Expanded response (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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