Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 There's a '29 Pheaton on eBay now that has a Carburetor of a type that I've not seen before.There appears to be an adapter between carb and manifold, since the mounting bolt holes of carb are rotated 90deg, from those in manifold.So the carb definitely wasn't designed to fit a Packard.The throttle linkage rod is very simple and should work tho. Anyone know the make and model of that carb?Engine Picture: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 It is a Schebler Model S. Don't get too close, the picture may catch on fire! Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Thanks Jon, Do you know what Makes normally used the Schebler, I don't remember seeing one anywhere ? From your comment, I take it that it was not the most reliable carb around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I found a data sheet on the Model-S.Man, That's one strange lookin' Carb. I didn't know Anyone made carbs that Complicated, during the '20s ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I was just looking at those copper fuel lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just looking at those copper fuel lines </div></div>Looks kinda 'Kludgy', don't it. I'm glad the guys that designed these Great cars can't see what we do to them sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rick - lots of expensive cars (and boats) used the Schebler model S carbs.The major problem when new was with the primary air intake.Look closely at the drawing, and you can see two air intakes:The primary is on the bottom right, through the banjo fitting, the secondary is on the upper left (aux. air valve).When the engine is turned off, all of the fuel in suspension in the intake manifold and the throttle portion of the carburetor drops straight down and runs out the end of the banjo fitting (some models did not have the fitting, and the fuel just ran out under the carb).And while the Schebler has some complexity, if you really want to see complex, take a look at a drawing of a Rayfield carb, or the float arrangement on the Johnson used by Cadillac.The Schebler worked pretty well in its day (however, like most "automatic" carburetors, it doesn't like deathanol). Its biggest problem was leakage.Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 For a short period of time, 1929 Packards were delivered with Johnson R carburetors. They failed within a short period of time. Does anyone know of any 1929 Packard that still has a Johnson R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 West - cannot answer your question specifically, but one Packard enthusiast who has fabricating skills wanted to build one several years ago. As you may know, the Johnson R was a zinc alloy casting and a "thin-wall" casting at that. Have never seen one in good enough condition to rebuild.However, this enthusiast contacted me to see what I had in samples, and I sent him several broken examples to use as patterns, along with a box of aspirin. He called after receiving the samples, and we had a good laugh about the aspirin.A few years passed, and we talked from time to time, but his work schedule kept him from working with the Johnsons. Finally, he returned the Johnsons AND the aspirin (now outdated). Said since he no longer had the Johnsons, he didn't need the aspirin. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hey, you don't suppose a little aspirin will help my Johnson start working, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34PackardRoadsta Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Ahhh, geez...here we go . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I see one thing that makes the Schebler less complicated. It doesn't even HAVE a Choke valve. I'm wondering how well that car starts on a Cold day ? West, Sorry, It'll take More than Aspirin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Remember this post of mine Linkert Carb I would say this Carb is easy to work on. Not sure what happen to the pictures but if you all like I can repost them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I would like to see them, I don't remember that thread. I noticed that All pictures are gone from older threads.I guess our Admin, that keeps his finger on the Delete-key, is At it Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rick,I think the missing pictures had something to do when they changed over to the new server.Would like me to post them here or back on my thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Packin31</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would like me to post them here or back on my thread? </div></div>Here would be fine. Since so much is missing from your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I've been searching internet, looking at various Makes of Carbs, that were available during the '20s, and I've come to Really appreciate the simple Detroit-Lubricator carb that Packard engineers desided to use. The auxiliry-air-valve springs are a little difficult to adjust on the DL, but at least they are up where they CAN be adjusted, instead of buried down in the carb, like most Makes were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rick,Wait and tell me what you think once I post the pictures of the carb I have. Memory serves me right I think there are only two or three screws for adjustments all very easily accessible.Not sure what happen to the DL that came on the car but it is long gone. I know mine is not correct for show standards but what is a person going to do. Buy a DL if you can find one in good shape and willing to pay the piper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 When I was in my dad's basement over Thanksgiving, I found in an old box the remains of a Detroit Lubricator dual-throat that was used only on the 734 speedster. Have you seen the price on the repros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 West,I have seen originals on eBay once in awhile and they are out there price wise so I can’t imagine what a repro goes for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I'd bet a million bucks you haven't seen original dual-throats. The repros cost $25,000!!!.... And I don't think that includes a new intake, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">, I found in an old box the remains of a Detroit Lubricator dual-throat </div></div> Almost like finding a box full of Gold, isn't it ? But by using the word 'remains', I assume there wasn't enough to restore, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 $25000 wow that is a cost of a new car that my wife are needing to buy in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">, I found in an old box the remains of a Detroit Lubricator dual-throat </div></div> Almost like finding a box full of Gold, isn't it ? But by using the word 'remains', I assume there wasn't enough to restore, correct? </div></div>Yes. I wonder what the pieces would bring up on eBay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, you don't suppose a little aspirin will help my Johnson start working, do you? </div></div>More apt to make you forget and live with the fact it doesn't work. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd bet a million bucks you haven't seen original dual-throats. The repros cost $25,000!!!.... And I don't think that includes a new intake, either. </div></div>Hey West - thank you so much!!! Please look up my address in my bio as to where to send the check. I have 2 complete ones! There are at least 3 different dual throat Detroit Lubricators. The first was used on the 1916 Regal; the second on Packard marine engines and subsequently on the early run of Speedsters; and the third on later Speedsters. Unfortunately, both of mine are for the Regal. I had an original third type, but it and I parted company a couple of years ago.Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rick,Here you go. If you want the full size pictures let me know and I can send them to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbking</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd bet a million bucks you haven't seen original dual-throats. The repros cost $25,000!!!.... And I don't think that includes a new intake, either. </div></div>Hey West - thank you so much!!! Please look up my address in my bio as to where to send the check. I have 2 complete ones! There are at least 3 different dual throat Detroit Lubricators. The first was used on the 1916 Regal; the second on Packard marine engines and subsequently on the early run of Speedsters; and the third on later Speedsters. Unfortunately, both of mine are for the Regal. I had an original third type, but it and I parted company a couple of years ago.Jon. </div></div>Well, I was actually betting Tom. Sorry, bets cannot be transferred to another party. I should have added that I'd bet he hadn't seen an original dually on eBay. What happened to the original that you had, Jon? Did it get put on a Speedster? Whose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 West,You are correct I have no clue what dually looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Tom, Is the bracket above the air inlet for a push/pull cable for choke? If so, it seems to be mounted in a strange location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rick,Yes it is for the choke cable. The round thing with the slot right near the inlet is where the wire from the cable goes. There is a set screw to hold it in place. You can see it in the second Picture. I rarely used the choke when I had the car running that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Do you have an air-filter for it? If so, does it mount directly on carb or is it the remote type, connected by tube or hose? I like the way the air-inlet curves Up, to prevent some of the gasoline from dripping out, like it does from the DL, when engine is shutoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Yes I do it mounts directly on the carb inlet. It is a can like thing with a wire mesh inside of it. I can post some pictures if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Yes, would like to see it, since it's probably different than ones for DLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 One more question, Is there a drain tube port on the very bottom, below the air inlet, or is that protrusion for access to the main jet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Rick,At your service. Here are some pictures of the Air Cleaner. Looks like I have another part that needs to be powder coated.The last two with the chrome air cleaner I have no clue what chrome one fits or what it is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hey, I LIKE that Carb! Where can I get a Few?(with air-filters of Course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Rick,It is a keeper don't you think?I am not really sure where one could purchase one. I did a quick yahoo search and it seems older H-Ds used them but not this size thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Tom, the Linkert literature leads me to believe the carburetor you pictured is one of their A/M units, the Model R. It is my belief that the Model R Linkert was based on the then defunct Schebler Model T. No car company ever picked up the Linkert R, and I have no information that it was ever sold as O.E. on anything. In 34 years, we have had one request for a rebuilding kit for the R. We have several of the carburetors.Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Jon,That is interesting to know. That is probably why there is not much info out there then. What parts would you or do you have? As you know there is not much to this carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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