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Marty Roth

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  1. Sam,

    Have a wonderful time, and give Sally a big hug from Dale and me.

    Don't overthink everything - just relax and have a good time - your genes will handle 90% of anything that could happen - keep my cell number, and take a BUZZIE ROSTER (Sally has the pocket edition).

  2. Approximately 61 cubic inches per Litre / 61 cu. in. per 1000 cc

    A 305 cu in Chev small block is a 5 litre, so 305 inches divided by 5 litres equals 61 cubic centimeters. (slightly off, but close enough for calculations - actually 61.024)

  3. Keiser31,

    You asked what kind of car -- Steve said that it was a 1909 Oldsmobile Model Z - I remember it as an open Touring body style, and Steve added that it had the big 42 inch tires.

    Dick was a very tall gentleman.

    He was eye-to-eye with the kids in the school bus, and I wish I had a photo of that encounter; heck, I wish I had pictures of so many of the drivers and their cars from the big National AACA and VMCCA and HCCA Tours from 20 - 25 years back.

    It was those impressive cars and their so very generous caretaker/owners which encouraged Dale and me to be involved at the national level, especially on the Touring Committee, and to encourage folks at the local level to start participating at the Division and National Tours. Look around, and you will likely see a disproportionate number of Louisiana folks on the tours, especially Founders and Sentimental. I've been on all of the Founders Tours, and encourage everyone to get out and drive your car - let the rest of the country see what a ball we have with our rolling pieces of Americana.

  4. I remember Dick's car as being huge.

    On the 1992 Glidden in Lexington, KY, my little '27 Chevy Roadster was behind Dick's Oldsmobile, waiting for a long freight train to clear a crossing on a country road. We could almost see completely under his car.

    Dick was a tall man, especially when compared to me.

    When the crossing gates opened, a School Bus passed in the opposite direction, and Dick was EYE-TO-EYE with the kids on that big yellow bus, and they absolutely loved seeing him and his car.

  5. K8096,

    The article you specify quotes Stephen B. Chapman as stating:

    "Right now you can get into a mid-1960s (Pontiac) GTO for $7,000 to $ 9,000. Three years from now it should be worth twice that"

    At that price, please put me on the list for a few..............

    Seriously , the article is not far off the mark, but aimed at the investor, moreso than the enthusiast.

    Thanks for the reference

  6. I said it before, and I'll say it again:

    1. Get the signatures on the title and a Bill-of-Sale

    2. Get all paperwork Notarized, even if your DMV does not necessarily rrequire it (ours does)

    3. Do it in Duplicate

    4. Keep copies (you can keep them in the same drawer or file folder as your income tax records.

    5. Get on with your life - drive your old car to take a kid to a car show, or for ice cream like we did today

  7. Matt,

    We both agree on the need to keep documentation.

    In some states, the license plate stays with the car -- that used to be the case in Louisiana, and (I think) in Indiana when we lived there. When you signed over the title, the plate became registered to the new owner, but some folks just never bothered to go to DMV.

    When New Jersey contacted me because a Junk-yard car with a body in the trunk bore the expired State Motor Vehicle InspectionSticker from the MG-TC that I sold years earlier, I first explained that the vehicle-in-question was not my MG, and that a "TC" didn't even have a trunk. Somebody used my Inspection sticker , and probably some stolen license plates, likely in the commission of a crime. Thankfully, my documentation was complete.

    Another car I sold cheap to the kid who worked in the local gas station was found running, with the front doors open, bloody, on a lonely road outside of Panama City Beach, Florida. Back then, Louisiana kept the plate with the car at transfer, and I didn't know that the kid had not gone to DMV. 1-1/2 years later I was advised by the PD that "my" car was in their impound lot, and for a staggering fee I could retrieve it -- not worth it !! (but they did allow me to remove parts - and I "donated" it to an officer on their force who had a similar car).

    Document !!

  8. Peter,

    The most current Louisiana Titles have a rear-off section, requiring the SELLER to notify the Department of Public Safety, Office of Motor Vehicles - to avoid just the kind of circumstance you describe.

    With all deference to Matt's comment, if the vehicle were involved in the commission of a crime, or in a vehicular homicide/crash/at-fault accident, etc., then you have to go back and PROVE that you don't own it -- still titled in your name / possibly with your license plate --

    You probably should do what you can to document that you do not own it.

  9. Dave,

    My Excursion Diesel has over 232,000 miles on it, and I just bought it - used.

    I just gave away a 1977 Suburban with 1,434,855 miles (YES - nearly a million and a half miles), and I had used it nearly every day in business, as well as pulling my enclosed trailers to transport my earliest cars to the Glidden, Vintage, Reliablilty, Brass and Gas, and other tours . It was a C-10 Series (Half-Ton - 2-wheel drive) with the Chevrolet 350 ci 4-bolt main bearing engine with a quadrajet carburetor, and a "350" Hydra-matic transmission. The first engine was pulled at 286,xxx miles when a new/faulty fuel pump leaked gas into the crankcase-the next morning start-up was explosive - tore off the rocker covers and the oil pan. We thought the engine was bad due to a clunking sound when it started, and since it was a daily driver we got a NEW-OFF-THE-SHELF engine from the dealer and installed it that weekend, only to find that the "clunk" was the crank hitting the bent oil pan. That engine always pulled any trailer with any antique car to any event, and NEVER used oil between its 3,000 mile changes. At 1.3 million miles, a friend borrowed it to pull a trailer cross-country and crossed the Rockies both ways -- NO PROBLEM -- except that when he got home he did an oil change but didn't notice that the old rubber gasket had stuck to the engine block, and not come off with the filter -- the new one and the old together slipped and didn't seal -- catastrophic loss of oil, and he cooked the engine before he realized why the loss of power.

    The next new "Mr. Goodwrench" was just as good, and gave us well over another hundred-K before I gave the truck to a friend - the rust was getting ahead of me, but the driveline was still A-1 --

    Sure, I changed some U-joints, brake pads, a couple of bulbs in the dashboard, and the material on the headliner,rebuilt the tranny twice, and swapped out the differential and axle bearings, but it gave 32 years of extremely faithful service, as well as absurdly dependable miles (YES--- ONE POINT FOUR MILLION MILES).

    Lets see some Nipponese Sh--box do that!!

  10. Peter,

    While interesting, many of the above seem not to zero in on your specific concern.

    As a former software specialist, I believe that your technical background leads you to retain paperwork. As such, you probably have a copy of the signed/(notarized?) title and/or bill-of-sale in your stacks of papers (on the left-back-corner of your desk?). If not, go to a Notary and make an affadavit to the sale of vehicle with VIN, description, and date (or approximation), and to whom if you can remember. Present photocopies of all documentation to your State DMV and ask them to document that the vehicle is NO LONGER in your possession, and has not been for that time. This should relieve you of potential liability.

    I have had this happen to me on THREE (3) prior occasions - some collectors are just lazy about paperwork; some do not register a car because of the property tax (Louisiana requires a 9% to 10% sales tax (depending upon location) even on used and antique cars, no matter how many times they are re-sold); some re-transfer as a dealer. there can be many "explanations".

    I have a dear friend with whom I have swapped many cars --- three cars I got from him were never in his name.

    Notify your DMV to protect your assets.

    Good luck,


  11. Alan,

    I have no connection to this company:

    significantcars.com Significant Cars in Indianapolis just ran an adv. , and I recognized what used to be the late Bob Thurstone's 1930 Packard Model 733 Convertible Coupe with rumbleseat and sidemounts (not a Roadster). They call it an older restoration, but I remember it as essentially an original, driven, maintained car - completed many Glidden Tours very dependably. They have it priced at $ 69,500 - I think it is high, but everybody needs a starting point.



    To clarify prior comments, the owner of a vintage car who uses the car for commercial purposes, such as charging you a fee to transport you and your bride or wedding party is no different than any other commercial enterprise, no matter that it is a one-time thing or on-going. Commercial service, no matter how intended would violate the terms and conditions of the collector-car owner's speciatly insurance. At this point the car is not being used for hobby purpose, but is actually a commercial livery.

    Best of luck with your upcoming marriage.

    Maybe you can buy a car of your own, and have a friend drive you, or possibly a friend with a vintage car will offer to drive you. Some club members do this as a courtesy for other members, but no pay is involved. Two of our club members transported a bride from the church to the reception -- no pay was involved. The father of the bride, also a club member, later made a substantial and very welcomed donation to the club, showing his appreciation, and helping the hobby. It probably would have cost more to hire a Limo.

  13. The Horseless Carriage Club of America, The Premier Brass-Era Touring Club is hcca.org the website for Horseless Carriage Club - a good source, and the money stays in the hobby.

    Years ago and on tour with our '12 Oakland, we needed to replace our light-weight cotton Dusters, and the tour stopped at "Dixie GunWorks" coming north out of Memphis, working our way back up the east bank of the Mississippi River. The place was a gun collectors' dream, and had a modest car collection too, but we found that they sold Dusters.

    Our heavy Canvas/oilcloth Dusters came from a Maryland General Store we visited on the 2000 Reliability Tour out of Frederick, MD.

    Hope this helps.

    PS: Matt, if you don't sell yours, maybe I can put it aside for my grandson who is growing faster than we can keep him in clothes.

  14. When I was a kid in Linden, NJ back in the 1940s and '50s, we would sit on the curb, or wait patiently on the front lawn, coins in hand, listening for the sound of the bells that were mounted above the windshield. The driver pulled a string to ring the bells. The driver always wore a white uniform and a bow-tie and cap just like in the photo. He had a coin-changer on his belt.

    The trucks were always clean and white, and open-cab. The trucks were not refrigerated, and the insulated box on the back held dry-ice to keep the ice-cream, fudge bars, and ice pops cold and solid.

    While the above photos are a Ford fleet, I recall other makes as well.

    Their products were top-quality, and a feature motion picture "The Good-Humor Man" starred Jack Carson, a well-known comedy actor in the 1950s.

    Thanks for the good memories.

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