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12 hours ago, yannsaunders@gmail.com said:
Much appreciated, thanks.
One question:
Would not the owner of the car have to present the car to the licensing authorities "in person", to guarantee its physical existence?Sure, Yann. I'm also a Cadillac LaSalle guy, and I've long been appreciative of your awesome work on the history of these cars. Just glad to be able to help.
I do't know how it works in terms of NY registration, though. But maybe someday I'll find out what happened to that car.
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41 minutes ago, Bloo said:
Yours is also signed on the back, and you still have it, so that must be a normal thing after all. I guess the redacted part on the back is the person he sold it to?
I wonder how the new owner was able to register it since you still have the slip? Did NY not require a person to prove ownership to register a car?
It's a long story, best told over a beer. But the short version is that the title was signed over but never actually submitted to the DMV, and then the car was given away (mostly in boxes) without the title or even the awareness of the person who had the titled signed over to him. I don't know what's happened to the car, although I've looked.
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Here's what I have, a 1951 New York Registration -- not called a "Registration Renewal Stub," but looks to be the same in substance. Motor Vehicle Form 254-A. Interesting that it's hand-written and not typed up. 4 years earlier, but similar. Here's the front and back:
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1 hour ago, yannsaunders@gmail.com said:
Thanks for your kind offer. Yes, I would like to see a copy of the document in question, merely for the sake of comparison between your AUTHENTIC renewal stub and the one which - based on known facts about the vehicle - I tend to consider as "not totally authentic".
Not sure what you mean by Just DM me. Is there a way to communicate with you by private eMail? Mine is yannsaunders[at]gmail[dot]comSorry, "DM" meaning "direct message," a service on the forum. But I'll e-mail you a scan tonight. The car was owned by my grandfather in 1951 and I've had the '51 renewal stub since the 80s, taken from my grandfather's files, so there is no question about its authenticity.
Also, just off the top of my head, I think my 1951 renewal stub also listed the weight of the 1931 Cadillac 370a as 5000 pounds, and I think the fee was also 12 dollars.
Been a while since I looked at it, though. I'll check and scan you a copy tonight and e-mail it to you.
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Yann, if it's helpful to you, I have an original and authentic 1951 New York Passenger Vehicle Registration Renewal Stub for another big Cadillac -- a 1931 Cadillac 370a coupe -- that I would be happy to scan for you if you think the comparison with that and your '55 one might help indicate originality. Just DM me.
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Interesting question.
I don't have anything informed to add, except that a bit of googling suggests that "EZ Eye" was the Safety Plate marking for tinted car windows, introduced around 1940. http://www.solarcontrolfilmsinc.com/the-history-of-window-tint/ Here's an image of a 50s Buick tinted window with that marking:
Given that your window seems to me to have the standard Safety Plate marking, not the EZ Eye marking or something similar, that may suggest that it wasn't tinted originally. But I'm just speculating, and I don't really know.
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On 10/5/2018 at 1:55 AM, wayne sheldon said:
I love these little treasures! Put it in a small framed glass along with the excerpts from Wikipedia, and display it with the car some times. It should be allowed to stay with the car always.
Thank you for sharing your discovery.
Wayne, I decided to do just that, or close to it. I bought the matchbook on Ebay above and put the two matchboxes side by side in a frame I can keep in the glove box. Thanks for the idea.
One other interesting detail. There's one hotel on the matchbook I bought on ebay that is not on the list of hotels in the matchbook I found in my car -- the Brunswick. I found an advertisement for United Hotels from 1938 that lists the Brunswick on the list of hotels by '38. So that suggests the matchbook I found in my car predates 1938. Of course, could have been just an old matchbook lying around, you never know.
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6 hours ago, gwells said:
Using the info provided, I had no trouble finding what Dave terms the Packard Truck Meet. It was surprisingly well attended with lunch provided for all, most of whom were Packard club members. Very interesting small selection of non-Packard collectors cars along with numerous Packards. Super nice people, too.
Dave confirmed that this indeed the last version of this long-running meet.
Glad it worked out.
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I've never been, but I recall hearing that Dave Lockard has hosted his post-Hershey Packard truck meet in York Springs PA for years.
https://56packardman.com/2018/01/09/gear-head-tuesday-packard-trucks/
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2015/10/21/no-man-should-go-into-battle-alone-the-many-hands-behind-a-1918-packard-army-truck/
I vaguely recall hearing that either he is about to or has stopped doing it, though. So I'm not sure if it's on this year.
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On 10/9/2018 at 5:03 AM, Owen_Dyneto said:
Don't know about 1935 senior and newer but on 1934 and back for a few years the end attaches to the same little fixture that holds the rear inside hood rubber bumper pad.
Thanks, Dave. There's a hood bumper pad on the middle of the hood, but that's really far away from the cowl area. When I lift up the hood for a place to attach the strap, this is what I see; It's not clear to me where it attaches. (Sorry for 83 years of dirt/grime, etc.)
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'35 senior cars have straps that connect from the firewall to the hood, I assume to keep the hood from lifting up too much. You can see the strap here in a picture from the web on the far right, to the right of the bijur system and then disappearing up to the raised hood:
My car is missing its straps. I wanted to get new straps, and I was wondering, where on the hood does the strap attach? I can see where it attaches on the firewall/cowl, but I can't see where it attaches to the hood.
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The other old thing I once found in my Packard, incidentally, was a very old penny: It had fallen into the door and was wedged in near the drain exit, too big to exit the drain. It had the 1978 paint on it, suggesting it had been there a long time.
The date on the penny was 1909. (I still have the penny somewhere.)
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I was working on my '35 Packard today and I decided to pull out the rubber pads in the door jambs that help the door close tight. I found something pretty cool underneath it, and I thought y'all might be interested in the story.
First, some background. My grandfather bought the car in 1942. The only big cosmetic change my car has had was a really cheap 1978 repaint. The rubber pads in the door had been just painted over in the 1978 repaint, so I know the pads predated '78. And having taken part of the doors apart before, I know the doors are all original underneath; between that, the silver paint, and my grandfather's frugality, it seemed highly likely that the pads were original to the car. When I pulled it out the driver's side pad, I was surprised to find something interesting: there was what looked like a folded up piece of paper jammed into one end of the pad:
I pulled out the paper, and it seemed to be an advertisement of some kind for a line of hotels. Here's the front side:
You can see it says "America's Most Popular Hotel," "Hospitality Headquarters," and "Travel the Country on the . . . Hotels" written on it. Here's the back side:
That's a list of hotels in different cities. I googled some of the hotel names, and I quickly came across an excerpt from a 1920s book of corporations that described the "United Hotels Company of America," a hotel chain that (as of 1922) included most of the list of hotels on the backside of the paper.
(Note that explains the "Travel the Country on the . . . Hotels" line, as you can now see that the ". . ." is the word "United" in a pattern. Here's the full pattern, again from the Wikipedia page, which is upside down in the second picture above:
What is the piece of paper? I gather it's the cover of a matchbook. I found some similar matchbook covers on ebay:
You can see the "Headquarters" on the top that matches the "Hospitality Headquarters" on my paper, and what I thought was "America's Most Popular Hotel" on my paper is presumably just the beginning of the phrase "American's Most Popular Hotel System" as seen on the matchbook cover from Ebay.
I next googled "United Hotels Company," and there's a wikipedia page on it: It says that the company was formed in 1917 and went defunct in 1945.
Of course, I'll never know how the paper/match book got there, or exactly when. Maybe the pad didn't fit correctly when new, and someone folded up a matchbook cover and stuck it in there to make it fit correctly. Maybe the first owner put it in there (he owned the car until 1942), or maybe it was done at the factory? Who knows. But given that the company disbanded in 1945, this little piece of paper must have been in the Packard's door a really long time.
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I need to re-open this thread in light of this new Hemmings ad: "1937 Parkard 110 4 Doors Buffalo Leather & Birds eye ribbon maple wood accents Cadillac tilt telescope w/leather wrapped stering wheel Powder coated Chassis w/mustang 2 front suspension tubular A arms & ford 8:8 rear end w/ leaf springs Engine chevy 350 SB with trans 350 308 gears Custom stainless steel grill & bumpers 2-1/2 all stainless steel exhaust AC vintage air with heat & defrost Electric wipers Price: $86,500"
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/packard/110/2173040.html:
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Another thought for those wanting to keep their smart phones, bluetooth speakers, etc. charged on long drives: One easy way to do this is with an external battery source that has a 120v outlet. Many battery boosters that we carry to jumpstart our cars have them -- just insert the plug like you would in your car, and in addition to jumping your car you can charge your various battery-powered devices. This is good in case the power goes out at home, too. Alternatively, you can bring along an external portable battery source like a laptop (or a dedicated battery source just for electronic devices ,which are cheap and fit in your glove box). At the end of a few days of driving, you may need to charge up your battery source, but that's easily done at a wall outlet at the hotel that night.
Sorry if this is all obvious; just thought some might not have thought of it.
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8 hours ago, rodneybeauchamp said:
Hi 1935Packard,
that might be a great option for my 1938 Buick which does not have a radio fitted.
I gather the phone needs to be nearby to pickup the signal. Any idea what range?
cheers
Rodney ????
Rodney, I believe the Bluetooth protocol for smart phones specifies a range of 10 meters. Put in more personal terms, my experience is that if the speaker is in the passenger compartment, and the phone is in my pocket, I can be in the car or out working on parts of the car (under the hood, getting stuff from the trunk, etc.) and it still works great. If I walk across the driveway, on the other hand, it begins to cut out.
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Most people on this forum may know this already, but in case they don't, I thought it might be helpful information to some to know that technology in the last decade has given us a very easy way to get inexpensive and high quality music sources in our antique cars. I like prewar cars and I also enjoy having period music playing in the car. In the past, this wasn't such an easy thing to pull off. A long time ago , I used to bring a "boombox" into the car and play cassettes or CDs to get good sound. But these days you can buy a cheap wireless handheld bluetooth speaker that works with any smart phone. ("Bluetooth," for those that don't know, is just a technology that lets you connect wirelessly between two devices near each other, such as a cell phone and a speaker.) You put the speaker anywhere in the car, press a button that pairs it to the phone, and you can play music on your smart phone using a music app that is broadcast over your bluetooth speaker. If you switch cars, you just move the speaker and get the same great sound in any car.
There are lots and lots of bluetooth speakers available. I opted to buy the JBL Flip 3, which costs about $70. It's small -- it fits in your hand -- but it sounds astonishingly good. It looks like this:
(image from the web)
The speaker runs off a rechargeable battery that plays for about 8 or 9 hours between charges and charges easily like a cell phone. I create playlists of period music on a music app for my iphone, and when I take a car out I put the speaker in the car and play the playlist for that car from my phone. (30s music for 30s car, etc.) It fills the car with high quality music sound of my choosing, all for only $70. To keep the speaker in a stable place, I ended up putting a little velcro tab on the speaker and on the carpet of each of my cars so the speaker can rest on the floor of the car and not move if I go over a bump or come to a rapid stop. It's easy to pull the velcro off to recharge the speaker, but otherwise the speaker stays put.
I don't know if this info is helpful to readers, but I thought it might be. Happy to share more details (such as how to link the speaker to a phone, etc) for those who may be intimidated by the technology. And my apologies if this is obvious and everyone knows it: I only figured this out in the last year or so, I confess, and it was an epiphany that really improved my driving experiences.
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8 hours ago, A. Ballard 35R said:
looks great and represents a lot of time and elbow grease on your part.
And money, too.
But best of all, it's also about 9,000 miles later.
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I was thinking recently of the difference between my car when I bought it in 2007 and today. Here a picture under the hood from 2007 when I bought the car:
And here's a picture today:
Not a show car, certainly, but I hope an improvement....
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2 hours ago, Curti said:
I like extra lights that are factory approved. L-29 Cords and 31-33 Auburns had Pilot Rays.
I don't believe that any U.S. manufacturer had Trippe lights in their factory brochures.
Interesting thread on what lights were available in factory brochures here:
I have a 1951 photo of my car that had a spotlight added. I decided to remove the spotlight because it likely wasn't original. But when you're going back that far it's admittedly a little technical to talk about original versus very early.
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I personally prefer the look without any extra lights. It's cleaner.
With that said, I've been thinking of adding some Trippe lights on my Packard because I like to drive at night and I could use the extra candles to see the road better.
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11 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:
Greg,
Here's my story on the car given over 50 years of astute observation.
Purchased new by a northern California funeral home, lightly used in service through WWII. In 1948 they bought a new one and the car sat in the back garage for at least 10 years.
Somewhere around 1960 a local oddball bought it for $150 to $200, drove it for a year and parked it, meaning to "fix it up real nice". It stayed parked until he died in the late '80's. The new owner got it painted circa 1990, just as closed Cadillacs were becoming accepted. He almost died of a heart attack when he priced running board covers at the time of the paint job. He got feeble and never did much after the paint job and never drove the car much, but talked about it at Thanksgiving and Christmas every year, giving the family the impression it was a gold mine, if only running board rubber didn't cost so much. (A friend of mine paid around $4000 for a set of '38 Model 75)
He died three years ago and the family is groping with the sale, trying not to have the wrong conversation start at Thanksgiving with one of the Uncles or a stray Nephew.
A lot of that is probably pretty close. For a guy who likes a sidemounted sedan it is worth a look.
For me, I'm just thinking about what I could do with the cars I already own if I had an extra 30 grand to spend on them.
I don't see any blatant fraud or maliciousness in the ad, just an executor or family member who doesn't know what they are doing and probably wish it would end.
Well done. Let's just hope "OBO" turns into a best offer that the family realizes is in the ballpark.
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7 hours ago, capngrog said:
I like Elon Musk. He has shaken up both the auto and space industries with his (or his companies') innovative ideas. In my opinion, both industries needed a bit of stirring up.
I hope Tesla (the corporation) succeeds for many reasons, but primarily because it is an American company and a leading innovator in the international automobile industry.
I hate the Tesla automobile and hate to admit (but never in writing) that it, by most accounts, is an excellent automobile. "Makes no sense", you say. Well yes, but on a visceral level, and as an old school, old car guy I can't stand the concept of our roadways being clogged with hordes of glorified golf carts silently and effortlessly going about their business. I love the roar, clatter, bang and snort of the infernal combustion engine. That video posted in this thread of Don Garlits' quest to hit 200 mph in his electric dragster makes me want to short circuit my lunch. That thing (Don's electromatic demure dragster) is just ... well, it's just ... a non event. What next, a human pod launched down the quarter mile by an electromagnetic catapult (as on our latest aircraft carrier)? Soon, gone will be the violence, thoracic shock and sensory overload of a "fuelie" dragster hole shot launching it to its quarter mile destiny 3 seconds later. Line the electromatics up for their quarter mile duel, and they will launch like hummingbirds to the traps a quarter mile away. Will anyone notice? Will anyone care?
Just sayin'.
Cheers,
Grog
P.S. I hate electric cars.
I understand and appreciate this perspective, but I have to ask: Have you driven a Tesla? I've owned sports cars, and pretty fast sport sedans, and I've driven extremely fast gas-powered cars. But the first Tesla I drove, the Model S 100, was hands-down the most thrilling automobile I have ever driven. It was a make-your-heart-race, sheer-joy-of-driving, hope-my-wife-tells-me-i-need-to-pick-up-something-far-away-so-i-can-drive feeling. True, it's really quiet. But it's also totally insane, rocket-launching acceleration plus incredible handling. It was pretty far from a "glorified golf cart," at least in my view.
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21 hours ago, edinmass said:
There’s about 25 cars on tour. We did 230 miles today on back roads. Most impressive was every single car made that mileage on the first day without anything being brought in on a hook. I saw four flat tires on the side of the road. I think every driver managed to get his own tire changed without help from anyone It’s a great bunch of people. There’s a bunch of hundred point and very high point cars. All being used as intended. There’s a wonderful lady driving the Duesenberg racecar with its open cockpit and open wheels. ?
Magnificent, Ed. Just awesome.
But best of all, it's also about 9,000 miles later.
New York State - Department of Motor Vehicles - Passenger Vehicle Registration Renewal Stub 1955
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It just dawned on me that there are much better ways to find original New York registrations from the 1950s to compare this to originals: Ebay! There are some1955 registration renewal stubs on ebay. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.TRS1&_nkw=new+york+1955+registration
Images of one: