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And a few more 34 LeBarons. Note the really interesting (but no doubt of dubious function) headlight-mounted rear view mirrors on the 1108 phaeton (at the Bahre collection). The photos of the unrestored LeBaron are not mine, forget the details but it may have been the Stern car? Last photo set of 4 with the Vignale are from the Marano collection.

Thus encouraged, here's a few more. The 1938 (or 39?) Vignale, from the Marano collection. Started in 1938 or 39 on a 120 chassis, hidden during the war, and completed postwar, obviously one-of-a-kind. And two shots of the 34 LeBaron 1106 sport coupe that was factory undated with a 1935 nose, dash panel, and other details, this one owned by a NJ collector. A 1937 Dietrich dual-cowl Twelve photographed at Warren at the 1937 Opus; it has many interesting details but the rear-hinged front doors caught my attention. Like many Twelves from 1935 on, it has a body serial number (thief-proof) from a prior year, in this case from the 1936 range (like so many 39 Twelves have bodies in the 1938 range.) A pair of 1106s from the Marano collection. And lastly a 1934 Twelve by Dietrich from the Bahre collection, with another just to the left. All photos by this writer. Enjoy!<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

K9086, I had the same questions when I looked at it, but took the owner's word for it's origins. You may very well be correct. I wish I had gotten the thief-proof number (body dash number) from it.

I'm wondering if interest in this thread is waning, but I'll post a few more. A 1941 LeBaron limousine taken at Warren OH, argueably IMO the most stately of the just-prewar limos. A Derham 8th series roadster with a 9th series update kit as auctioned recently at Greenwich CT. I've marked it as an 845 on the back, don't know if that's correct. A 1934 LeBaron town car, #1108-56 at Automotive Restorations in NJ. And a 1937 Rollston taken at Warren in 2008. This was supposedly badly chopped into a hot rod and was in the midst of a long slow process of returning it to stock. Is there any interest in the 34 LeBaron 1106s and 1108 phaeton? With about 6 or 7 of them in NJ plus some pictures I took at the Bahre collection some years back, I've got scads of photos of them. Let me know, please, if you're interested.

A few more for those with an interest. The 1937 Junior (120) is a LeBaron, the former Ed Hermann restoration. A pair of 1940 Darrin convertible sedans, the gray one is perhaps the former Bill Hirsch car, photo at the 1999 Centennial, with an unfinished Darrin sedan to the right. The blue one is perhaps the Ralph Marano car. A rear view of the previously shown 1938 by Mayfair, photo taken at Stone Barn restoration shop. A 1938(?) Super Eight, perhaps by Rollston?. And a 1939 Twelve, perhaps by Brunn? I've forgotten the details on the last two and hope someone can fill in more information. All photos by this writer.

Glad you enjoyed it. Here's a picture from the PAC National this year at Gettysburg of Gene Tareshawty's Darrin sedan. Also a 1st Series (143) Eight by Fleetwood owned by Don Hansen.

I've just been reading an article with many photos, both at delivery, during restoration, and after restoration of a 1940 Packard 180 (1807) sport sedan by Rollson. The article appears in a copyrighted publication ( The Packard Cormorant, #54, Spring 1989) so let me just provide a link to one of the photos. PackardClub.org • View topic - 1940 1807 sport sedan by Rollson

I've lost some of the details on several of these. All photos but the big maroon Rollston were taken at the 1999 Centennial at Warren OH. One of the two early town cars was bodied by Kimball for Gen. Jack Pershing, though I don't recall which one. The maroon Rollston was photographed about a decade ago at the Burn Foundation Concours at Lehigh Univ. And though not a custom in the usual sense, the 1932 front-wheel drive V12 prototype is truly unique, owned then and still now (as far as I know) by Bob Bahre. Hopefully some of you will be able to fill in the details I've forgotten.

A few more. 1933 Twelve by Fernandez & Darrin, this one also a Jersey car and well-known and often written about and seen at CCCA events. Also a 1934 Eight by Glaser of Germany (Zeiss Ikon headlamps if I remember correctly) and a 1938 Eight by Mayfair - a bit awkward-looking IMO. Photos by this writer and all taken at the Packard Centennial in Warren OH in 1999.

1934 Eight by Graber. Said to be on the 1102 chassis. Also, though I've previously given the link to it on the PAC forum, here also is one of many photos of a 35 1201 by Graber. Grabers seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately!

Does Steve Wolfe still own his? I met him years ago and he seems like a great guy. Yes he does, and yes, he is!

Not a Super Eight, either by the documentation that accompanied the car when last sold, or by the vehicle number (1101-2X). Engine # is also in the Eight series, not Super Eight. Perhaps the Super lamps were originally specified, or added later? There was some interesting documentation which accompanied those photographs but I'm reluctant to post it without permission from the source (which unfortunately I didn't record). I also wondered, for such a restrained car, if it originally came with just a bail cap and the flying lady was added later. The donut pusher seems in contradition to the rest of the ornamentation.

There is an article by Neal Donovan on the Lily Pons car in The Packard Cormorant, #108. It was a Derham, #1701-2041. Single, rear-mounted spare.

The Twelves take very nicely to higher-speed rear end gears, can't necessarily say the same for the 37 and up Super Eights and the earlier Eights (320 engine) expecially with the heavier body styles where OD might be a more flexible option. Phil Bray is the source for the senior Packard rear end gear sets.

Town car by Rollston on a 1934 Eight (1101) chassis. This is an ex-Vanderbuilt Packard. Sorry I can't credit the source of the photo, I've misplaced that information. A rather stunning if restrained vehicle IMO.

The 3rd 41 LeBaron sport brougham here in NJ is black and is owned by Larry Goodhart. Never have spoken to him about when and where he obtained it.

Silverghost, sorry for going way off topic, but your mention of a Murphy clear-vision Duesenberg reminded me of an incident many years back at the old Ridgefield CT show which was held that year at the Lockwood-Davies (?) mansion just off I-95. There was a roar of an engine, a hush from the crowd, as we all watched one of the McGowan Bros. (Bobbie?) tear down I-95 towards the exit ramp in his Duesenberg Murphy clear-vision sedan, silver and maroon if I recall correctly. Not a sight easily forgotten, or one often seen.

Here's a better picture of the ex-Gaffney car, and a Rollson hi-top.

I've always admired the 41 LeBarons, both sport brougham and limo. Of the perhaps 35 remaining, there are 3 of the sport broughams in northern New Jersey, this one owned by Jeff Guss of Wyckoff - it was at the PAC national in Gettysburg this year, and also seen briefly in the movie "The Aviator". The 1941 Rollson 160 was owned for many years by Kevin Gaffney, also here in NJ and just adjacent to it is one of the other sport broughams, this one owned by Steve Wolf and still has functioning factory A/C.

K8096, is this the one you were referring to earlier? It's seen on occasion at events in New Jersey. Photo from Metro Region (CCCA) "Skyline" magazine.

Not exactly a custom, very VERY unusual anyway. A 1934 Twelve 1108 with the quite uncommon "hi top" factory option which raised the roof 2 inches. This option was available on certain closed car models for quite a few years in the 30s. Sorry, don't recall the source of the photograph, but it wasn't one of mine.

Ninth series Twin Six by Dietrich with dual rear spares, taken at a VMCCA regional meet in northern New Jersey about 35 years ago.

1929 645 by Murphy, taken at The Packard Club National in 2005 at Danvers, MA.

Here's a Waterhouse, picture taken at the Packard Club National in Ashville NC in 1993 by myself.

Yes, the 236 by Merrimac is Steve Babinsky's car. The 39 Franay is not fully collapsible, despite the suggestion. There is another picture of it and a partial of the rear interior at: PackardClub.org • View topic - Visit to the Marano Collection Particulary interesting is the rack and pinion gearing of the divider window which allows it to move rearward and it drops, thus allowing an adjustable front seat.