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There's no reason why you shouldn't put the cars on Ebay. We've all seen some very big money spent on all sorts of cars there. Only negative I can think of is that someone interested may not be looking regularly on Ebay and might miss them. Don't worry if you need to list them again. Obviously the week before I was looking for the car I bought on Ebay it probably wouldn't have sold. It's timing sometimes.
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Thread format was tweaked real wide when I logged on before I every wrote word one. ??? I'll remover that emoticon just for fun though....
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Anyone know what the Carter WGD model 728 2 bbl CFM is rated at? I guess 350-400 CFM by eyeballing it. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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<img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Hahahaha! Yeah I'll have to leave a trail of bread crumbs.
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There must be many other collections in existence as you guess. With the internet I think we will begin to see more and more. This goes for other collections of other items too.
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24Chrysler48 guy- yeah, a 25 year old car today doesn't seem classic or special to us today at all!
Here's my thoughts on this without regard to official rules- In 1958 as a 10 year old kid I thought 1932-40 Fords were cool- stock or modified. But the 1940 was just a cool old car. The 32 was just an older neat car. Nobody was interested in restoring or rebuilding common cars in the 1950s-60s other than hor rodders. Pierce-Arrows and Dusenbergs were considered special, not Plymouths or Fords. There were very few folks messing with common cars then. In the 50s-60s we considered Cord, Auburns, Dusenbergs and high end limited procudtion cars as classics not Nashs, Remember? The word classic was never ever used unless it was to define an expensive, vintage motor car.
All this is relative to your age as you move through time. An 18 year old 1940 Ford in 1958 was NOT special at all other than the fact that I liked it. 47 years later it's pretty rare and still cool. An 18 year old car now is a 1987 model and not rare at all. Is a 1980 model?
In the 50s-60s 25 year old cars were not a big deal. Compared to now we were awash in "old cars" then. In 1965 you could still buy an "all there & running" 1940 Ford coupe or 2dr sedan for $175! And that's just Ford. How many of other makes were floating around out there?
To a 10 year old kid at a show today a 1980 Firebird restored or kept in like new condition is a thing of rare beauty. A cool 1940 auto is positively archeological!
If an auto organization specifies in its charter that it accepts "only autos of less than 10,000 unit production quantities made before 1931" fine. That's very black and white. If another has a rolling 25 year classification rule for acceptance then it is clear that the 1980 Firebird is legal.
I like all kinds of cars from bone stock 1935 Chevies to 50s lead sled customs to musclecars/ponycars to exotics like the new Ford GT-40. I can appreciate what went into the restoration of a perfect 1937 Ford Cabriolet or Boyd Coddington's rendition of a radically modified 1937 Ford Cabriolet. Both are equal in appeal to me. I have no predjudice in the fact that a 3rd 1937 stock restored car used many modern reproduction parts to acomplish the goal of getting it on the road or to a show where some kid can marvel at it.
My 1973 Z-28, which I never considered anything other than a plain old "car" was one of just 11,000 and is now 32 years old and is being put back into like new shape. As a kid in 1958 a car 32 years old was a 1926 model!!! Did folks like to look at 1926 cars in 1958 at least as a curiousity? Sure, but they don't have the awareness or interest of folks today.
All these cars of times past, yes, even as recently as 1980 are part of the history of the automobile. If there are examples of the rotten (my opinion) cars of the 1980s they too deserve a place of distinction in the anals of autos. Musclecars were a distinct definition of certain autos that stood apart from the rest. This weeekend at a club cruise I pointed out a 1966 Charger fastback to my wife say it's relatively rare though I don't care for it. But it was a kick to see it again. I can remember when they were hauling azz on the streets of 1966. And there are plenty of folks alive that can still remember when 1940 cars were commonly driving around daily without fanfare like background for a nostalgia movie today.
1901 curved dash Olds and 1964 1/2 Mustangs both are equally historical. Never mind quantities of manufacture. They both contribute to the interest of the collecting hobby from a historical standpoint.
With today's media more people WORLDWIDE can enjoy the "old car" scene as they never could in the 50s-60s. Ha! Someone in China can key into this very website and see YOUR or my classic or antique car and admire it! Classic car auction on satellite TV. Ha! the 1957 Sputnik was still the gleam in some Ruskie's eye in the mid 50s! And a car auction in Philadelphia couldn't be viewed, much less participated in, on a spectialty TV network or computer in say 1965.
Society and technology is far different than it was decades ago. Model As and such basically were scrap for most part. Who on earth beside a few
would want to mess with an old heap like that as the post-war industry introduced automatic transmissions, air conditioning, power windows and accessories in powerful, attractive packages? Unless you were lucky enough to have everything needed locally in 1965 you couldn't find parts for the 30+ year old car you were fixing up. No 2¢ per minute long distance, no internet, no Ebay. Unless you got hooked up with the almost underground movement of antique car nuts' limited publications you were out of luck.
This is the peak of time of the automobiles' existance. Today most everyone knows the score. Cars will simple appreciate in value, no matter what they are. In the world market of portfolios and investments folks are savvy to what old cars have to offer. They escalate in value and can be interatcted with in a pleasurable, unique, active way unlike a painting hanging in your den.
Autos appeal to everyone at showings. Unlike the high brow atmosphere of art shows full of pretentious people, car shows allow all participants to be knowledgable afficianados with input.
If the pre-war cars are thin at shows now, they'll probably be back to be enjoyed. They'll simple have to share the floors with 1964 Impala SS convertibles and even newer stuff. Is is a bad thing that a car show has too many cars? For the auto hobby to continue younger people need to become interested. They can relate to cars just 25 years old in many ways than they do to even cool cars from the 40s-50s. They rode in them as kids. They recall them in daily use as many of us recall the ones from the 40s-50s the same way.
Age of cars, and people, is all relative to the observer. Let's remember that when we scoff at some 25 year old guy's ONLY 32 year old car at a show. That would have been a 1923 or 33 'Something' in 1955 or 65!
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"The AACA is dedicated to perpetuating the memories of early automobiles by encouraging their history, collection and use."
A manufacturers of NEW motor vehicles are licensed by the various states they operate in. This goes for motorcycles also. This goes for Shay cars or Paul Teutel's latest S&S motored American Chopper with a custom frame. When I worked at Road & Track many years ago they merged with Cycle World which published Dune Buggies & Hot VWs. Remember dune buggies? Bruce Meyers manufactured the Meyers Manx dune buggy which sure as hell didn't look like a VW. The titles said that though. For a DMV to put Mercedes on a replicar or 1929 Model A on a Shay is probably easier than we think. Have just a bill of sale, no title, from the old owner who calls the vehicle by the original manufacturer's name. Take it to the DMV in another state. They sit in the office and type it up as the old car. A person who is no automotive expert, but a state employee, checks the VIN. He/she has absolutely no idea that 1929 Fords did not have a OHV engine. Most probably don't know the difference between a flathead and OHV. That's it. Your car is whatever you want it to be legally now.
RonBarn- I'm happy to hear you think my wondering that perhaps some decision-makers in some organizations are elitist is unwarranted. By taking exception to the querry it proves, at least, some are not. Good!
The quote at the beginning above encompasses all cars. I guess the Shay has a history worth telling just as Dusenberg does. No doubt the founder sought a way for folks to have the fun of an antique auto without the hassle and expense of parts-finding expeditions and specialized mechanical maintainence. There's probably some interesting stuff that happened as things came together for the replicar to be born. Most limited quantity manufacturers never make it to start up after building a prototype and sending out press releases to the auto media. So the fact that this Shay thing was actually produced is amazing in the anals of automotive history in itself.
Today if you want to have the thrill and nostalgia of owning a 1932 Ford roadster you may have a very hard time of finding a suitable chassis and body to begin with, much less suspension, dash and all the rest. This ain't the 1950s with the "farmer's barn" stories. That's long over for the most part.
So what do you do? You can built several 30s-era historical stand-out autos by using modern replica parts. And the bodies don't have to be yucky fiberglass anymore. There's such an interest that there are companies producing steel body shells? If there was not a demand for these specialty parts there would be no industry. That's simple Econ 101. If a 1934 Ford 3-window coupe is a replicar but still looks beautiful and gives pleasure to its owner and spectators that's a good thing. Ok it might have a modern frame and disc brakes but the flathead V8 replica blocks go a long way toward original looks. Sure it probably has an OHV V8 but if the hood is closed it IS, for all intent and purpose to onlookers, a 1934 Ford, not a Boyd Coddington creation. Would the owner foist it off as a true 1934 Ford? Unlikely since the Coddington-built car is worth infinitely more!
I saw just such a car on Saturday at a club cruise. It was a real 1932 Ford 5 window steel coupe on a 1932 frame. The hood was closed so I have no idea the motive power- probably OHV V8. And it had modern, not era-wheels. That's it. Otherwise bone stock in appearance. There were some non-original-Ford roadsters with big tires and huge V-8s built on custom chassis with glass bodies. Anyone could tell the difference.
As far back as maybe 10-15 years there was a company building rolling, complete cars like a 34 Ford without running gear. That was for the buyer to do. If that produced them as the "Yahoomobile" legally by their state's accordance. Then when they're 25 years old they'll be classic Yahoomobiles.
The very popular Cobra replicars have been built as complete cars, not kits, for quite a while. When they become 25 they too will be classics.
These are just 2 examples of cars that are obtainable by the average person without the need for massive expense and parts hunts that only turn on a few hardcore people.
Hal said it all with, "If the AACA wants to make a class for replica's that are 25 years old, I have no problem. Just list them as the real year model."
I can't see why anyone would argue with that.
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I just this weekend installed a new Oldtimeparts 6v coil on my 50. The 48-50(probably 51-54 too) were internal ballast so the 6v coil for them will cross reference with zillions of other cars, trucks and even tractors. I got my car a few month ago and it was running fine. Since then I put new copper core Accel 7mm wires, new Autolite plugs, points, condensor, rotor, cap and now the coil. How weak/strong are 56 year old ignition parts? Even NOS makes me wary in that department. Would you put 56 year old NOS plug wires on your car? The coil ground runs to generator on mine as does battery.
I figured I had no idea of the age of any of the ignition parts. Plugs looked fair as did cap and rotor. I look at it as cheap peace of mind. I kept the old parts, since they were working when removed, for back up.
That Oldtimeparts coil cost like $17 where Kanter's is $60.
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I've got bushels of old car mags in the room behind my garage back to I guess about 1948, I dunno. I got to dig them out and escape to days of yesteryear once more. Did it about 10 years ago and had amazing fun reading the road tests from the 50s.
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Someone spoke of a bodies on other chassis. OK, what about the Avanti with GM running gear? The guy that manufacturers them owns the Studebaker license and name for them court-of-law legally so technically he IS Studebaker.
There have been tons of legally manufacturered cars in low or limited production all over the world that technically qualify under 10,000 units. Speaking of the body manufacturered going on the chassis of another company, it happened all the time. Briggs bodies on Packard chassis for example. How many different body manufacturers crafted skins for Ferrari over the years? Scagletti, Pininfarina and very many more.
The whole question has been answered by it's very nature- You call the vehicle a Shay for the manufacturer. THAT'S what it is. It is not a Ford-produced Model A nor is anyone saying it is. It minicks it in basic visuals only. Many contemorary cars mimick one another in the styling departments as they always have. Is it likely that these Shay owners would lobby that the cars be admitted and recognized as Ford A Models? No. Just as I mentioned rhetorically about the 1965 Ford GT-40 vs the 2005 GT-40 being the same car. They're not even though they ARE both built by Ford.
All replica-type autos bear the names of their manufacturers apart from the popularist names of Cord, 540K or, in this case, Model A. The vast majpority of the unwashed public would consider the danged thing a classic if the criteria were that it was a legitimately manufacturered vehicle 25 years or older.
I'd have to say I figure there are a number of marques owned by folks that have no interest or need to be recognized by any organization. Certainly they could care less if a bunch of old pharts throw black marbles in a hat in a secret ballot that excludes their vehicle from the hallowed halls of acceptance by a small clique of purists when the whole world would say, "Hey, cool car."
The Zimmer is one I couldn't think of Howard. But you are correct. A 1980 Zimmer is technically a classic just as a Maverick Vega or Gremlin is. There are those who feel only vehicles from the 1930s are true classics and the popularist 50s,60s,70s cars are too common and owned by too many folks. Well la-dee-da!
There are legions of people that have or will build (restore) all sorts of cars that want or need no connection with any national organization in order to feel validated in their hobby. When the 1973 Z-28, one of 11,000 built, that I bought new became 25 in 1998 I could have cared less. So what? Do I get a prize? And just because we're online doesn't mean everyone in the vast automotive hobby arena is. Most are NOT. Most never heard of the various national "old car" organizations. And if they had, they don't care. They move in their own spheres of auto hobby influence. If they rebuilt a 37 Ford they don't care that there are purists who would faint at their implementation of disc brakes, a period supercharger on the flathead and A/C so they can actually comfortably drive the car for extended periods. There are loads of talented individuals who are able to do things like that who never did and never will need somone elses approval for what they do.
Perhaps the question here should be not whether an auto organization should accept the Shay. Do the Shay owners care to be associated with or recognized by any "official" car organization?
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They got cars in Canada now, eh?
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It's the easiest, cheapest way. Won't start even if you have a key. Hide the switch good and the only way they'll get the car is to tow it....which is not out of the question for pros.
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The 1st thing I could lay my hands on goes back to the last year of the 283, 1967. It shows 195HP @4,600 RPM with 285FT LB torque @ 2,400 RPM from a 9.25:1 compression ratio. When power output got milder about 1972 the 283 would have been more than up for a power dual with anything up to 350cid.
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Maybe you could use the outside reindeer decoration as a hood ornament to finish it off!
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The NHRA has a class for every vehicle that is legally entered at one of their sanctioned events. They include bone stock classifications and sub categories depending on the amount of modification. So I have a simple question for anyone involved in classifications in any antique or classic organization- why is there no class for replicars? Is is an elitist thing?
If a car like a real live bone stock 29 Ford showed up at an NHRA event they are capable of classifying it to compete with any other car due to the handicapping system that allows equal but different competitors to compete. It could run on even terms with a 62 Falcon 6 cyl. with the Falcon leaving the line later due to predetermined performance indexing. Theoretically both cars arrive at the finish line at the same time. Of course that doesn't happen and that's what makes the competition interesting.
Instead of thumping the book of by laws as the final authority perhaps a new category should be instated. There were several quite pricey replicas that are 25 years old now. Cord, Auburn, Mercedes 540K replicas come to mind but they're a few more. It's sublimely ironic that production replicars that were priced in the $30-50,000 range decades ago are excluded while a cheap but original design like the Ford Pinto is!!!
The question about the Shelby cars was one I was going to bring up as well. Would a 2003 Shelby with a 1965 title be legal in most auto club enclaves?!?! In 2030 will there be a class for the 2005 Ford GT-40 that differs from the GT-40 class of 1965? This also is basically a continuation of production in many ways. Where does that put the many excellent factory(but not Shelby) manufactured replicas that usually had/have $40-70,000 stickers them?
I don't have a replicar nor do I truly care a hoot for them. These thoughts are meant for no group in particular so don't take any offense, please. I say forget the mumbo jumbo of the past and get up to date with realistic classifications.
Howard asked for feedback and this is mine.
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State Farm <span style="font-weight: bold">SUCKS</span> BIG TIME from my experiences. I had them many years ago and when I had a claim they lost my paperwork for like 10 days goofing around. Recently my daughter was driving the 73 Z-28 and some kid in a just restored old Mustang hit her- State Farm insurance. The dialogue with their people produced utter comtempt due to their ineptness and blasee attitude. It took about 10 weeks to settle. They couldn't even run the VINs correctly that proves my car is a Z-28 and not a standard Camaro (emblems were off at the time) so they decided to insult me with an ignorant offer to repair it. I needed to hire an independent appraiser to get it all solved long with our lawyer. WATCH STATE FARM!!!!
The good news is I took the opportunity to get the care done at a custom shop and it looks better than new with a complete make over.
Laquer can still be obtained in Mexico for sure along with R-12 over the counter. Matching/mixing for proper color I can't say what's involved. Wonder if Canada has the same quaint EPA laws as we do about certain substances? Maybe you could get it there.
Go to a car club get-together and ask the guys with the best paint jobs where to go in Chi-town for your car.
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Exactly. New is new and works like it should. Since I recently got the car I had no idea of how a new starter sounds. SO this was a noticable improvement though the old starter was starting the car fine.
Things like slowed down starters aren't noticeable to the owner who lives with the car and doesn't notice as the spin power slowly goes away. Then you bolt on a new one and go "what that?"
Brakes getting lower and steering pulling a little are also things we get used to if we drive a car every day and automatically compensate for it. Some one else drives your car and tells it right away. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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I'd say less than 5%. It's difficult to think it's not more by city dwellers but this is a vast country.
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Whooaa! The rebuilt starter spins way faster that the old one! Best part was a simple install standing, not laying under the car.
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Something wrong with the d on a 65 Impala. Here's what I got:
166375d120727
1= Chevrolet
66= Impala SS
37= 65-66 sport coupe
5= 1965
d= the building plant- there is no D letter code
120727= production sequence beginning at 10001
PLANT LETTER CODES
A = Atlanta, GA
B = Baltimore, MD
C = Southgate, CA
F = Flint, MI
G = Framingham, MA
J = Janesville, WI
K = Kansas City, MO
L = Los Angeles, CA
N = Norwood, OH
P = Pontiac, MI
R = Arlington, TX
S = St. Louis, MO
T = Tarrytown, NY
U = Lordstown, OH
W = Willow Run, MI
Y = Wilmington, DE
Z = Fremont, CA
There is a Doraville plant but they didn't make Imaplas
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I feel for you on that inspection crapola. Even California ain't that stringent. I was told the inspection stuff was pretty worthless as this guy went and was told he needed brakes. He ate lunch and went back through a different inspector and the car passed fine. Go figure!
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Pretty good shipping service. I received the starter exactly a week after it left NJ via UPS ground. The solenoid appeard new, new also. Now I can make club cruise Saturday afternoon! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
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This is the only FIRE paint schemes I could find on the web. But imagine the entire front quarter of the car done this way. Anyhow it looks great.
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There's some weird phenomena at work that we've all seen in mechanical things. You have a non-functioning or ill-functioning thing that you decide to disassemble to see what's wrong. You find nothing wrong. You re-assemble the thing and it works fine. You didn't do anything but it works and you have no idea why.
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The 1 item that will do the most that you can "feel" on a small block is an aftermarket open plenum intake manifold. IF you do nothing else do that with a medium sized 4bbl. =500CFM. That will give you the most performance for the lowest buck and least amount of wrench turning.