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    1908 American Berliet 60 hp

    in Period Photos - Pre WWII

    Posted

    Here are a few photos of some adventurous automobilist navigating a 1908 American Berliet across the Nevada desert somewhere between Mill City NV and Winnemucca NV, what today is a distance of about 30 miles on Interstate 80. As you can see in the photos back then it was slow going over cut brush if you were lucky. They are driving with the hood in the back seat possibly to aid in cooling the engine. Notice also the car has pre-state California plates. These guys were not out for a Sunday drive. The long cross straps on the rear are the top straps for the front. An interesting way to secure the top when it is down. 

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    Race photo from 1912

    in General Discussion

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    A friend of mine sent this photo to me and since I did not know how to answer his questions I figured this would be one to share with the forum:

     

    So what do you think is going on with the smoke/steam on these cars?  They don't look like steam cars and it seems unlikely they are both overheating badly.  Or maybe they are.  It can't be exhaust.  Don't they look like gasoline cars to you?

    The photo caption is "Race between an auto and a biplane at the opening day BBQ at Owensmouth (now Canoga Park) in the San Fernando Valley, March 30, 1912"

    But another account which seems more reliable reads: "In the Owens-mouth Road Race, near Los Angeles, Aviator Martin was appointed official Referee of the Course, with Frank Garbutt, a prominent Los Angeles automobile man. From the time that Martin and Garbutt left the hangars at Griffith Park for the Owensmouth Course, 30 miles away, their safety was constantly at the mercy of the little generator that furnished juice for the ignition in the aeroplane engine. Flying sometimes with Garbutt, and sometimes alone, Martin constantly risked death as he swept about the six mile race course to insure fair play among the competing automobile drivers. At times the intrepid aviator referee was in extreme danger, when he would swoop low down over the race course. Had Martins generous auxiliary planes failed to grasp the eddying air currents, or the electrics park stopped in his motor for but a few seconds..."

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    Basic trouble-shooting

    in General Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Terry Bond said:

    With Lucas systems, there is always a possibility some of the Lucas smoke has leaked out and needs replacement.  That's currently available thank goodness.

     

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    Terry this part is currently on backorder at Moss, do you have a spare jar I can borrow to get my MGB through the week? 😉

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    AACA Senior Award- info wanted

    in General Discussion

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    Thanks John

    I am fortunate that we know the whole history of this car from new. We are just the fourth owners. The car was restored by the third owner for the second owner in 1960. Lived its whole life in Iowa until we brought it to the West Coast two years ago.

    That is a good idea to go through the old AA magazines. I just might have a copy that lists the show results.

    Comical reactions to your car

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    So yesterday my wife and I were out for a drive in our 1914 Chandler, stopped at a light. A kid (probably about 20) pulls up in a modern Civic. He rolls his window down and is real enthusiastic about a car just from the look on his face. The first question he asks is how old it is.  I am always curious to know what year other people think it is before I tell them. His response is 1949, sorry no its 1914, WOW!

     

    The next question was how long have you owned it. I fibbed just a bit and said were were the original owners, though my wife and I are only in our early 50's. No matter he was blown away that we were original owners. The light turned green and he drove off amazed at the old car he just saw and the old still people driving it. I know I was wrong, but we got a good laugh out of it.

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    Harrahs research books

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    Interesting! I just happen to be reading a book on H.A.C. (see photo below). There is a whole chapter on the research that was done on each car. The restoration did not start until the research was done and everything about the car that could be known was collected together. Once the paper was complete Mr. Harrah was presented the report and plans were made on how the car would be restored. This sounds like it might be a collection of all those report. It would be a great help to anyone restoring on of these cars to read through them.

     

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    Period images to relieve some of the stress

    in Period Photos - Pre WWII

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    26 minutes ago, Walt G said:

    Chris, I believe the body on this car was designed and built by the Willoughby Company of Utica, N.Y. I have additional photos of the car under construction, interior, etc.

    35+ years ago I purchased a huge collection of Willoughby period photographs at an antique show on Rt.20 just south of Utica, N.Y. a short distance from where the factory was and the Willoughby family resided. Among the items were Francis Willoughby's personal photo albums of the bodies his company built that are bound and signed by him in fountain pen. Many other makes are represented and I shared one of a Cole automobile with someone here who then posted it and did not give me credit as to where it came from (!!!!) - I will not share any further photos of any Willoughby bodied cars because of this . They will eventually form the basis for an in depth history of the company that will be published in a periodical . The AACA magazine would be perfect for this but I have been informed that it is impossible to find room for articles of 4 or more pages in any of the issues of that magazine.

    That is very interesting Walt. I always believed that the sedan that Chandler reported to have offered in 1914 was made by Willoughby and looked much different than the 1915 body. Now I think it is very likely there were the same model. This is the only picture of a Chandler Sedan this early that I have been able to find. You and I corresponded a few years ago about a sedan body I had sitting on a 1920 Chandler frame. I had thought that might have been the Chandler Willoughby sedan. Based on this information I am confident it was built for some other make, maybe Cole as the only gauge in the dash was labeled Cole.

     

    I very much look forward to your article. Its a shame the AACA magazine cannot find room for it.

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    Period images to relieve some of the stress

    in Period Photos - Pre WWII

    Posted · Edited by 29 Chandler (see edit history)

    1913 Chandler "Grandpa" (4th one built) with Col. King Stanley and his wife. I just noticed that this photo is probably from the early 1920's looking at the license plate. Given that the car had traveled over 269,000 miles at this point the top has been replaced at least once. Chandler introduced their "bowtie" rear window in 1923 I think. The Stanley's probably picked up on this when they had their new top made.

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