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Dave Mitchell

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  1. Once again reproducing hood trim spears - the long thin spears that go on either side of the louvers on 35 - 36 Std 8 and 35 - 37 V12s and 38 and 39 V12s. These are new castings with the studs integral to the spear as original. The originals are pot metal and it is impossible to remove them from the hood side and keep the mounting studs intact. I made quite a few of these about 10 years ago and had lots of happy customers, now making a new run of them. Will sell singles or sets, 4 for a Std 8, two long and two short for a 35 - 37 V12, 4 longer yet on 38/39 12. packard12s@hotmail.com Dave Mitchell Hope to have them at Hershey C4U 28. Thanks

  2. Just got my copy of Octane today and haven't had time to read the article yet, but the photos are terrific. I have seen the car a couple times, but never with the top down - it looks so different! (great either way) I like to see open classics with the top down, too many owners are scared to put down the tops. Looking forward to seeing you and the car at Pebble.

  3. I haven't had to deal with the windows in my 180 Sport Brougham, but I know that there are people who have fit electric motors to them and they work well. If I recall right, there is a motor from a 50s Lincoln that will do the job, but would have to talk to some people to find out exactly. I don't think this forum will net you many answers. There are some nuts here (you found one already) and then there are lots of post war guys, nice fellows, but few with pre war seniors. I know several people who have fixed the hydraulic windows and most have had ongoing problems to be honest. Despite what Edsal says, hydraulic seems to not be the way to go, basically every manufacturer in the world, lead by the Americans, have chosen electric windows, not hydraulic, with the possible exception of the MB 600 from the 60s and 70s, and I am not sure about that. I love to see Packards restored exactly as they were, - I restored probably the most fanatically authentic 41 Packard in the world - but if it comes down to spending many thousands of dollars fixing a rather flawed system or spending it on other things the car needs, I can understand going electric. The return springs are hard to find also, and despite what Edsal here says, Packards idea of using fluid that ruined the paint when it leaked wasn't a great American idea to be proud of. It is an overly complex system that works very slowly and is prone to failure, and the real parts are very hard to find. If you email me at packard12s@hotmail.com, I will try to put you in touch with some 41 guys who have dealt with this. What 41 do you have? Good luck!

  4. Twitch - now a subject that really matters - I say the P-47 was better!! Bigger engine, more power, more armament - has to be better!! I am biased as my dad flew both, but most of his hours were in the Thunderbolt, and he flew the late ones like th N versions also. If I win the lotto, I will have a P-47 to go with my Packards. In the meantime maybe I can mount 8 .50s on a Packard 12 chassis, with a Packard rear end of course...

  5. The original pistons were aluminum with steel struts, and in my opinion that would be by far the best type to put back in. They are strong, yet still light and your engine is set up to be in balance with this piston. Cast or forged pistons will be heavier and will also as a rule will expand more and will therefore have to be fit to looser specs to work. Packard fit the pistons very tight and very precisely to keep things running as quiet and smooth as they were famous for in their bigger engines. I wouldn't say a piston coming apart in a 120 was common, but it can happen. I would myself replace all the pistons as I would fear that it isn't just a fluke that this happened in one cylinder. Something probably caused this other than a defective piston - Packard engines are all to often run hot - usually due to an old radiator being clogged up and the cooling system not performing as it should. This can lead to cracked blocks and eventually to piston wear. You could also have excessive taper in the cylinder walls which allowed the piston to slap and eventually break up. There could also have been stuck rings from sitting too long and when it was restarted, the part that gave way first was the piston. It is tough to say without seeing the engine. I would measure your cylinders carefully for wear and taper, and I won't be surprised if you have to bore this engine out and put in new oversize pistons. My advice to anyone rebuilding a Packard is to recore the radiator at the same time - the 500 to 700 dollars you spend here will be well worth it when you aren't stopped along the side of the road with your family on a warm day, and also it is good insurance for not ruining your newly rebuilt engine. I wouldn't take a chance on waiting for catastophic failure - you have a red flag up now, don't wait for a piston to come apart completely and score a cylinder so badly that it has to be sleeved. That will be expensive and time consuming. Also check the main and especially the rod bearings and mic the crank so see that it is round. You don't want to spin a rod bearing and harm the crank. What kind of oil pressure do you have? How far apart is your motor? I will be glad to help you all I can. If you email me, I will give you my phone number. I am just now building a 120 engine and I can send you photos if you need any. These are a good engine, but they need some special care too. Good luck! Dave

  6. I have 3 sets of different size NOS Packard 120 pistons with rings and pins - 20, 30 and 40 over,(all in Packard boxes) and I might have one std one. I just wanted to warn you not to mix cast and steel strut pistons, the steel strut ones are OEM and will do the best job for you. I may have some NOS shocks also, and yours can probably be rebuilt. The parts book will tell you if they interchange with other years. I can send you photos of the correct horns on the all original 37 120CD that I used to own if you email me, (mine were on a bracket on the head). Dave Mitchell at packard12s@hotmail.com A good locksmith can make you a new key. Taking that switch apart is very sensitive work, they are swedged together and you don't want to harm the switch when you take it apart. Just go slowly and carefully. Good Luck!

  7. If you have Packard pistons in the rest of the cylinders, you probably can't put just one Egge in, that will most likely be a cast piston and the originals are steel strut, and there will be a big difference in weight. Better to put in an original type. I think you can take the pan down without moving too many things, perhaps the steering will have to come apart. I sold my 120, but have a 115 and I will look at that.

  8. Things must be slow at the shop if you have time to wiegh Packard 12 wheels, or even think about how much they weigh. I usually just put them on because I am anxious to drive the car. I drove my 37 12 sedan last night out to look at the soft glow of the sunset and coming back enjoyed watching the full moon rise. Maybe it is the full moon that has some of our posters affected. Anyway, it was pretty cool to drive that big monster and open up the throttle and eat up some road. I drove my 37 115C roadster earlier and it is really fun too. both cars make me smile when I drive them and people at the store or gas station get a charge out of them. Maybe you can appreciate all sorts of cars...

    I read this article and there are some things wrong, but I think most people realize that and take it for what it is - a sort of memory piece, not hard news. Hardly something to get really fired up about. I'm sure it is hard to find stuff to put in the magazines. Even our old friend knows that as he once edited a club regional magazine. If you want to have a real treat find some old copies of that one.

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