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I would say the car on BAT was undersold. This car has some impressive documentation to support its ownership history and it is more original than the example on BAT. One family ownership for over 75 years. Everything is so over restored these days. Truly original cars with known history are rare indeed.

You guys are super nice. Now if someone would just write that check!

This is a very special car. 1925 Packard 243 Series 8 Cylinder 7 Passenger Touring In the same family until the current owner bought it. One family ownership for 89 years. Two owner car. The car was used in a movie about Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Here are some notes from the owner: Here is a video of my 1925 243 Series 7 passenger Touring Packard Drove the car home after a mechanic went through when I first got it. It is mechanically sound. Cameo at the movie Sun Rise at Campobello. I also have the letter from the production company when it contacted the owner to use the car in the movie The car is featured in the Book "Packard the Glory" It tells some of the history of the car. I also have other documentation on the car that traces the provenance of the vehicle. It was ordered new by the original owner with some additional features. The floor heater is rare on these Packards and it was a special order. It still has most of the original interior except the front seat and the yellow painted dash. The gentleman that performed the work for me said that in fifty years of working with these cars he never had seen one as original that still runs. Packard Blue is the original color of the car. It was painted Red and a new top installed for the movie Sunrise at Campobello. The car was repainted to its original color later in the '70's and the paint it is holding up very well. The top was removed the top and had the bows restored by a wood carver. Not that the wood was terribly bad, but it needed some care. The metal frame sandblasted and repainted. Comes with all new convertible top material and the old convertible top pattern. The engine is clean and neat, will post photos later. Owner spent $4,000 in sorting out the car when he first got it. A similar 1924 version went for $85,000 about 4 years ago in similar condition as this car with a new top. Car will have a new top installed and dash repainted before it goes to its new owner. Asking $110,000.00 will listen to reasonable offers. Located in Texas. E-mail for more information and pictures. Offers are being accepted.

Not sure if this is the right place to promote this Alfa Romeo but it is beautiful and pretty special. Everyone can appreciate that:) This is a numbers matching Alfa Romeo Giulietta SS sold new in Lucerne Switzerland, original Bluette color (most were red or white). Restored to concours condition. serial number is AR177216. Asking price is $185,000.00

1960 Jaguar XK150 DHC Data plate reads: S837939 Body: P7221 Engine: V5818-8. Current engine stamped VA1500-9. Owner has had the car about 30 years and used it for local car shows. Always stored inside. Odometer does not work but reads 58,000. Most likely not hooked up after second engine installed. Very good driver with new clutch. Many pictures available here. Located in Pittsburgh, PA. Asking $75,000.00

Interesting. I will try to find contact information for them and see who the coach builder was. I've gone through at least a hundred coach builders to try to narrow down who it might be. A few are possibilities. Erdmann and Rossi 1906-1949 - Berlin, high end builder of Mercedes, Packard, Horsch, etc. Dorr & Schreck - 1919-1939 - lightweight bodies, streamlined racing coupes for Adler. Dux-Italian - 1929-1931 - Founded by Vittorio Ascari - possibly related to the racing drivers Antonio and Alberto Ascari. This company was short lived as it was soon taken over by touring. Buhne, Berlin - 1919 -1939: Based in Berlin had a very successful start with trucks and that was followed by individual body work on Mercedes austro-daimler and Rolls-Royce with a sloping radiator very fast double cab relays running on chrome wire wheels. Bugatti and Cadillac one-offs as well as one Mercedes 2 seater made perfect Motor Show attractions. Post office vehicles and police cars formed the business after 1945 Glaser, Dresden: The first motor car body by Glaser was a 1902 Mercedes. Later fine Cabriolet coachwork was made for Maybach and Aston Martin. By 1929 Glaser supplied a remarkable number of cabriolet bodies for German assembled Buick Chevrolet and Cadillacs Gybels: Brussels-based 1925 to 1930. Built two door saloons with both steel and fabric construction. One on an FN chassis had a swiveling front seat to allow easier access to the rear they also worked on Fiat chassis. Moderna: A short-lived coachbuilder best known for the double entry door with hinges at front and back the patents for which they acquired in 1929. A Royal coupe using this principle was built on an Alfa Romeo chassis. Musigk: Built attractive cabriolets on Modest priced chassis such as BMW 320 PS they featured bold horizontal bonnet lovres and cycle top wings.

Actually it was raced and owned by an Italian: Luigi Rognoni. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Rognoni&prev=search And the Marchal headlamps were not used only by the French for racing.They were very popular racing headlamps. The body may be a French custom body. Or it may be German. I have ruled out several coachbuilders from different countries already based on available research. As for the owner, I am quite certain I have the right man as only the wealthy would have been able to afford to race. And only the wealthy would have been able to indulge their son in a career of music. And he was the right age. Shouldn't be too hard to confirm this. Further, being from Europe and seeing how well the Graham-Parker's were doing in European racing he may have ordered a chassis to be delivered from the US (an 8 cylinder as denoted by the fender) to have it bodied by a European coachbuilder. There is an Italian trade transaction where both Rognoni and Graham-Parker are mentioned in 1933. Perhaps he sold the car. It looks like he drove this car in the Mille Miglia in 1931 and he drove a FIAT in 29 an 30.

Walt why do you think the car has a French connection? l

Glaser of Dresden. Thank you for that lead. I will look into it while at the Simeone Automotive Research Center today and report back on my findings.

Yes it is - can you send me your direct e-mail at kelly@classictag.net and I will send more photos. Thanks.

I don't have time to compare the two cars right now as I am traveling for the holiday weekend and will be back Tuesday. But my first observation is the bumper. The 8 cylinders from what I can tell had the bumper of the MM car while the 6 cylinder had the bumper of your friends car. On the 8 cylinder there is a pronounced curve that is missing from the 6. This feature would remain the same despite what body was put on the car. I'm not an expert. That's why I am opening this up to discussion. So would love to know everyone's thoughts.

I think the headlights are Marchal. As for the body it is a special body Cabriolet. GP did not make an 8 cylinder Cabriolet in 29 or 30 according to the company brochures. By January of 30 the name of Graham-Paige was being phased out. If this car was a 30 it would have to be from the first phase in order to have time to be shipped to Europe and have a new body put on it. Time line is a little confusing here with all the unknowns. I have this about the factory: European demand was sufficient to warrant the opening of an assembly plant in Berlin in 1928: but all this was swept away in the Depression, when few cars were imported, and the company could not even justify the modest expense of a stand at the London Motor Show. So it appears no cars were built at the factory but I would love to confirm that. I read somewhere that the factory records for GP were burned in a fire and what was left were stolen in a burglary. I found mention of Graham-Paige and Rognoni here: This is a document that lists trade transactions in Italy in 1933. Gazzetta Ufficiale del Regno d'Italia N. 251 del 27 Ottobre 1933 ... augusto.digitpa.gov.it/gazzette/index/download/id/1933251_SO 251 tiei 2Ì ottoÍ>re 1933 -. Anno XÌ. DATA .... Marchio di fabbrica per bibite gasate. 38231. 2-1-1930. ,. Giovanni. (Milano). 7-2-1928. Giuseppe Lecco ...... 23-6-1928. Graham-Paige Motors Corporation, a ...... Luigi Rognoni, a. Turbigo (Milano). Doing more research on Rognoni the driver. I believe he was from a wealthy family in Milan. He raced a Fiat in the MM in 30 and 32. This car in 31. Also there is a registration plate on the car that I can not read yet. Need to find a way to zoom in without making it blurry.

Can you elaborate on that? Interestingly enough Graham-Paige actually had a factory in Berlin for a very short period of time. There is scant information about what came out of the Factory. They did send chassiss to different coachbuilders in Europe to be bodied. I have looked into French coachbuilders and Italian coachbuilders. I have not looked into German coachbuilders that might have bodied Graham-Paiges.

I am looking for information concerning a Graham-Paige. Despite hours and hours of research I can not find any information concerning this Graham-Paige that raced in the 1931 Mille Miglia (picture attached). I am actually surprised at the fact that these cars were raced in the early 30's all over Europe. It appears that this car has a special body. Perhaps made by a European coachbuilder? I have gone thorough the company brochures but have not been successful. I believe the bumper was used on the 8 cylinder cars but this car doesn't match the 29 or 30 models. The car was number 66 and driven at the 31 MM by the team of Rognoni and Lorenzetti. Does anyone have any information on this car? Any suggestions for leads that I can follow? Has anyone ever written a book about the racing history of Graham-Paige's? Very sad to see the Graham-Paige webpage is "going silent June 17, 2017 for an undetermined length of time." Would love to hear any ideas concerning this wonderful car.

No I cannot double clutch. Have to admit I can't clutch at all ( although it is on my bucket list). I drive a 1980 300CD MB in Northeast PA. That's the best I have to offer. That Cadillac is beautiful. The setting doesn't hurt. Fred Simeone is going to kick himself. I sent those names to him and said who is this guy talking about. He did not know. I even researched the names. Nothing came up. The Delfonics! Of course.

Carl - Gotta bite on this... who are Randy , Buster , and Poogie , and their Road manager Rick

Well Carl please PM me and let me know where you live and when I'm on the West Coast we will have lunch and talk cars until well past dinner. Tomorrow I am going to visit Bill Wonder, the race car driver. That guy can talk cars. And the stories he tells. Oh my. He remembers all of his races, all of his cars, all of the people, in great detail at 93.

What do you mean enhance my standing?? I'm like a rock star here:) Come to the Simeone Automotive Museum in Philadelphia and I will be your docent. That should enhance my standing. Open invitation to everyone as long as you pay the entry fee your docent tour is on me!

Oh my Lord I would but I can't yet. I found the car but the buyer hasn't bought yet. So all very confidential. I will say that it is the real deal. Very original. The owner really did his homework on the car - of course he did not have to go far as he was only the second owner. Even when preparing it for endurance racing he was keen to keep the body and trim original. It is interesting that these cars are capable of so much, being competitive at Le Mans and the Mille Miglia in period. To quote a passage I picked up somewhere and added to: The 1929 Chrysler Model 75 were remarkably fast. Between 1925 and 1931, Chryslers competed internationally at such events as the Mille Miglia and the 24-hour races at Le Mans and Spa, running against the best and most expensive automobiles that Europe had to offer. In fact, at the 1929 24 Hours of Le Mans, a Series 75 Roadster finished 6th Overall and 3rd in the Index of Performance, and at that year’s Mille Miglia, a similar car won the 5-Litre Class. They are also consistently in the top ten winners of the Peking to Paris Rally and are highly sought after for this event and the Mille Miglia.

And it is going to have its original engine and transmission back. How sweet is that. Gave me goosebumps!

1921 Dodge is sold!

Car is sold. Actually found the original engine and sold the car to the owner of the engine!

Mission completed. Found an awesome 1929 Model 75 that will be running in its second Mille Miglia this year. Two owner car. Incredibly original. Awesome vehicle.

Got the car up on a lift today and took many more pictures. The Edsel has the original rubber mat in the trunk, which has some rust stains on it. There is some light surface rust on a few of the body panel seams in the corners. It is in really great shape for what it is. The paint is old and will need redone by anyone who wants it to look new, the trunk area will need no extra work past prep for that. If you follow the link HERE https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1_TdkxRTawfLWNwQTI3MnBhZG8

Thank you sir. This is a great forum. Mind you this car isn't for sale right now. It is just a subject of conversation because one of our eagle eyed forum readers spotted this unusual car in the background. I personally don't know enough about the car to make any concrete judgements. My posts are based on what you guys already know. And wow that seems to be an awful lot.