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18 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:
Looks like a fantastic turnout of automobiles!
I especially like the early Wolseley and the Alldays and Onions! I have always been impressed by how the Commonwealth and Europeans drive their really early automobiles more often than do the American collectors. That was also a fine showing of other later what we might refer to as "brass era" cars. I still get a little confused by your designations of "Veteran" and "Vintage".
Alldays and Onions has such a charmingly English sound to their name. I understand they had a very long history?
I heard that there was a string of Earthquakes off your islands yesterday? No serious damage I hope?
Thank you for posting the report and photos!
When the Vintage Car Club of New Zealand was first founded in 1946 by a bunch of Canterbury University students the cut-off date was 1927 - i.e., the end of the Ford T. For whatever reason it was later extended to 31 December 1931. To separate the earliest cars they decided on two categories; veteran for cars up 31 December 1918, and vintage for the later ones. At some time there was a gradual acceptance of 'post vintage' cars - up to WW2 but at the time those cars had to be 'thoroughbreds'. A lot of the thinking was based on the cars that were here in NZ. By the 1970s there was grudging acceptance of post WW2 cars and in more recent years the club has set up a 30 year rule. The club has expanded greatly to have over 8,000 members nationwide but as with many organisations there is an aging membership, not helped by many new members being retired people who have got rid of the kids and now have some time and money to spend. The aging membership thing explains why we have several hundred who have ben members for 50 years o more. I have 'only' been a member for 44 years. I think it is a good thing that most people are now 'freer' in their thinking and more accepting of a greater range of vehicles. I know there are a few older diehards who want to set up specific era clubs but who is going to continue it when they fall off their perches? There is a large number of one-make clubs anyway, and most of those members are VCC members as well. It has become very noticeable in very recent years with the proliferation of 'coffee and cars' type events that many people have no interest in belonging to any club.
Re the terms vintage, veteran etc - and classic - of course these are not legal definitions, just club ideas. There are always arguments especially over the word classic - people posting on facebook etc demanding their car be regarded as a classic etc - and my answer is always that it is whatever you want it to be. The VCC categories only matter when there are events for certain era vehicles, or when there are prizes at stake.
The VCC categories can be found in this link. Lots of other stuff on the main site as well. The club has had a national magazine, Beaded Wheels, for most of the time it has existed. I have been on the editorial committee of the mag since 2002. The committee's primary function being proofreading.
Re earthquakes I didn't feel the most recent lot - too far away I think - but I guess Californians are like us in that they accept the odd shake happens, just to keep us on our toes. We had a magnitude 4.4 here about 7.30 one day last week which woke those of us still in bed (I work late so don't get up early), but that was only because it was shallow and centered less than ten miles away. Of course here in Christchurch where I live we had the major quakes 2010-2012 and much of the city has been rebuilt.
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8 hours ago, Gunsmoke said:
Great showing of vintage stuff, some not common over here. BTW, we in North America say "down under" when referring to Aus/NZ, what do you politely refer to us? Thanks for posting.
I think the most common reference is simply the US, or The States. No opposite of 'down under' as far as I recall.
There are quite a lot - as in several thousand - American collector cars here, mostly run of the mill stuff from the post WW2 era and some owners are frequent visitors to the US. Plenty of 'foreign' cars as well but there are almost two different camps in that many owners of non-US cars that given a choice wouldn't touch an American car.
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5 minutes ago, Ozstatman said:
Thanks for the ANZAC Day update NZ.
"Lest we forget"
Thanks, I think a combination of the day of the week and the nice weather meant there were several similar runs in various locations around the country, although perhaps with less emphasis on the earlier cars.
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More Wolseleys. 1933 Hornet, 1964 6/110, 1963 1300. And a Riley Elf, a version of the well-known Mini which was also badged as a Wolseley Hornet.
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Some of the other early cars. 1911 Hupmobile 'telephone box', 1914 Talbot, 1914 Renault van, 1914 Rover, a 1910 Stanley (which I think is mostly a reproduction), and a 1912 Wolseley.
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Other makes represented. The 1924 Cadillac was purchased used in the US in the mid 1920s and the owners toured the US and Europe with it before shipping it home. The 1935 Buick is a locally assembled model, though these were sourced from Flint (unlike our Fords, Chevs and Plymouths which came mostly from Canada). The green 'cabriolet' is my Studebaker. What would be regarded in the US as a Datsun B210 is a local limited production variant known as the 120Y SSS, which came with the stripes and mag wheels as standard, along with a tweaked engine with a good cam, twin side draught Dellorto carbs and other goodies so it could compete in a local production race series back in the day. A quick car by the standards of its time.
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A few Chevs. The speedster is registered as a 1925 but must have a later front axle, with brakes. The '47 has had a later grille piece added. It is a local assembled model, from parts sourced from Canada.
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Some later Fords. The owner of the '32 has had it more than 50 years.
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Several more Ts - 1913 and 1915. I think the '13 is a recent import from the US.
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1912 Ford T. The driver here is the son of the now late owner who restored of this car nearly 50 years ago. He also has a very rapid 1914 T speedster.
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1909 Ford T.
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1905 Alldays and Onions. I think this one is a single, and a recent restoration, but the owner has previously restored a two cylinder model.
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1900 Wolseley. This car has been with the same family since 1946 and the driver on the day is the son of the 1946 owner, but nowadays his grandson (so fourth generation) also does some of the driving. Single horizontal cylinder, 4 1/2" x 5", reverse rotation engine and chain drive. Cruise about 25 mph.
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ANZAC day in the New Zealand (and Australia) equivalent of Memorial Day where military dead from past wars are remembered. This year being a Tuesday it was a partial public holiday and about 40 cars, and one bike, took the opportunity to take part in a run around a rural area about 20 miles inland from Christchurch. It was a fundraiser for the local RSA (Returned Service men's Association), with the route passing five local war memorials. The combination of a nice sunny autumn day, and mostly traffic-free roads meant it was suitable for the very early cars, the two oldest being the 1900 Wolseley and the 1905 Alldays and Onions. The two main organisers own between them several of the early cars, and one has several Wolseley cars so there were several of each. I took my 1929 Studebaker cabriolet and drove about 120 miles including going to and from home. Photo credits to Philip Dickie who posted these pics on a local facebook page.
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1 minute ago, alsancle said:
Skylark or Hollywood?? Not sure how to tell them apart.
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3 hours ago, JACK M said:
I can't figure whet the LR is parked on. Is it a rock or a surf board?
The road seems to be well maintained for it to be a rock.
If you are referring to the 'patch' under the guy's right foot on the running board I think that is a stain on the original print.
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15 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:
That may be a possibility? However, the bright plated metal brackets above and behind the door window look like folding top brackets to me.
I have always had a fondness for the sport coupe models of that era. My first real running car was a 1929 Reo Flying Cloud Master "semi-sport coupe" with the solid soft top down to the belt line and landau irons. One of my longtime best friends at that time had a 1931 model A Ford sport coupe with a fixed soft top very much like your Studebaker! I always enjoy seeing pictures of your Studebaker.
Took it out yesterday and did about 120 miles. April 25 is ANZAC Day, our equivalent of Memorial Day and there was a run around a rural area about an hour away from me, as a fund raiser for the local RSA (Returned Servicemen's Association). A nice sunny autumn day and coinciding with a day off work. About 40 cars, the two oldest a 1900 Wolseley and a 1905 Alldays and Onions. Must get my son to put the hubcaps back on. Wheels have to come off to do it. He was having difficulty getting the steering just right and found the front axle bent. Swapped it out for the one of my spare-parts car which had had brake work not too many years ago so a simple swap.
The Wolseley ahs been with the same family since 1946 when it was dragged out of a shed and got running for their local centennial parade in 1948. The guy driving in this photo is the second generation to drive it and nowadays his grandson often drives it. Single cylinder 4 1/2" x 5" (about 80 cid), speed about 25 mph.
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6 hours ago, Dave Henderson said:
'37 was of the era when 4 dr. cars typically had front-hinged front doors and rear-hinged rear doors. Consequently, 4dr's weren't as popular as 2 dr. cars for families with children due to the safety factor, and thus most low price "Big Three" 2 dr. cars outsold 4 dr.'s. Plymouth, it seems, was the exception, unless the stats are incorrect, but my source also indicates they are correct. Perhaps the explanation is the wide use of Plymouths as taxicabs.
Interesting you say that as I had not actually looked the figures up. The info I have is from The Standard Catalog, and it seems yes that for Chevrolet and Ford their biggest sellers by a wide margin were their two door sedans. For the low price big three seems Plymouth was the exception. As soon as you get into the next price level - e g Dodge, DeSoto, Buick etc it goes back to a much higher percentage of four doors.
On this side of the Pacific two door sedans were a relative rarity. I have only seen a few Chev and Ford two doors, and they don't show up in old photos. High prices meant that 'families' rarely bought new, instead driving older models, or whatever was available. For those models in local assembly it made sense to have a limited range of body styles. For Chev and Ford that usually meant just four door sedans and coupes in two prices levels.
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In service in Italy with the New Zealand Army. It looks American but I can't match it with anything.
I think unusual being 4 x 4 rather than 6 x 6?
Not as good at identifying truck as I am with cars
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1937 Plymouth. It looks as if it may have a trunk so it is a touring sedan of which Plymouth built 111,099 that year. Less than half the number of four doors built.
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15 minutes ago, wayne sheldon said:
Thanks nz, I don't do facebook. I am fairly sure I have seen that photo before. I have a 1927 Paige 6-45 sedan, but it is the smallest model that year. 1927 was kind of a messed up year for Paige due to the management's decision to sell out of the company. Paige had had a fine seventeen year run mostly under the guidance of Harry Jewett, when he decided it was time to retire. Harry Jewett had made his first fortune as a coal merchant, and went into automobiles as an investor. Not happy with the way Paige was being run, he took over the company and turned it into one of the more profitable smaller manufacturers. Thereby making another personal fortune! The entire management team had also made very good small fortunes, and when Harry J decided to retire, none of them wanted to take over and be responsible for possible future failures. (There were some things going on in the industry creating new difficulties for Paige and most smaller companies at that time!) So the decision was made to instead sell out and they all retired! The decision was made to sell out to the Graham Brothers who had cashed out of their relationship with the Dodge Brothers! They were looking for a company to take over and manufacture automobiles themselves.
That final year for Paige involved several model changes. Three different models of Paige could at different times of the year be called "the largest model". The 6-65, the 6-72 which was continued from the couple years before, and later in 1927 the newly introduced 8-85 which they had been planning to bring out during the year. The 6-45, my smaller model was a slightly upgraded version of the Jewett automobile from the year before.
I cannot help but notice that dash in the posted photo! I have one like it prominently showing the Paige emblem in its center sitting on a shelf in one of my storage buildings.
You commented earlier that it looked like a 'folding top' model with a rather fancy interior. Maybe like my Studebaker the top may look like it folds but actually does not?
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This one was posted on a facebook page a few hours ago with the caption - "Have you heard the Brad Paisley country song 'Waitin' On A Woman?' This man in a Hudson looks the part."
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18 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:
Fairly sure that is a Paige automobile! Looks like a cabriolet or folding top convertible coupe. Rather fancy interior for a folding top car? Paige did have some really nice interiors.
This one turns up on facebook pages every few months. Apparently the car is a 1927 Paige - the most expensive version.
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7 minutes ago, sagefinds said:
One has Buffalo wire wheels and chromed or nickeled headlight shells where the other has wood wheels and painted shells but I would call it a match.
The mystery car does have suicide rear doors but I put that down to a 'colonial' difference.
I have just come home from a run where there was a 1924 Cadillac (no photo sorry) and I think there is a difference between the 1924 and 1925 head lamps.
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ANZAC Day run near Christchurch, New Zealand.
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