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11 hours ago, Larry Schramm said:
Let me see if I get this long discussion right.
If you own a car that was built 1941 and BEFORE you are invited to park your car with the Pre-War Division group who will be parked in chronological order.
Anyone that fits that criteria can park in that area.
Rumor is that there are about 50 spaces available for this group.
If you fit the pre 1942 group you are not required to park anywhere else even if you want your car judged. This includes modified, driven, HVOP,or any other category. Park with the prewar group if you want to park with the same age car and owners as yours.
This chronological order parking is about getting to know other owners with the same vehicle you have and develop new friendships, contacts, and network to keep our similar age cars on the road being driven. You might find someone that has had the same issue as you have with your car and they can be a great help.
If you park with the pre war group your car can still be judged.
What's the issue?? From my perspective it is very simple.
Larry, you are 99 percent correct here. The only variation from what you have said, is that when the cars get staged for judging, any modified owner wishing to have his car judged would have it parked in the Modified Class and not in classes ABC, etc. The reason for that is that modified are not judged by year , but by different classifications primarily decided by the degree of modification. In this situation, you can have a 1910 parked next to a Regatta, etc. The modified guys do their own judging and we want to make it is easy as possible for that to be accomplished. , so I agree with you, I don't see an issue. One other quick thing is that no particular number of spaces have been reserved for this . The number of spaces need will; be decided when , registration closes and we know how many cars we have in that era.
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I don't know of any, but I am pretty sure I have a head gasket set, it that is of any help. Also check interchangeability with 1936 Lasalle
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Good luck with the '63 Riv. They are great cars and the only year to use the wonderful Dynaflow transmission.
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On 3/9/2018 at 10:59 AM, dei said:
Being in my back yard so to speak, I'm looking forward to attending this Meet!
They have a Steam Train ride close that is in a scenic valley which would be on my list to take in.
Waiting for info when available.
Just wondering where that train ride is. Life does not get much better than Buicks and steam trains.
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Mark: I have not had any posts removed. I say again. An agreement was mage that all prewar cars would be parked together . so how can this still be an issue? The only exception would be the modified cars. They would be parked in their own Division. Again, I do not see an issue!!!
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9 hours ago, Mark Shaw said:
John,
I agree. I have never suggested elimination of judging. I have only requested that members be allowed to park all-together to socialize and compare their cars with others of the same age. I too like seeing the judged cars, and I appreciate the time and efforts of both the show car owners and judging teams. I just don't agree with putting the chief judge in charge of parking for the entire meet when judging typically is done only on the last day.
There are a couple of reasons, that the Chief Judge for a BCA National Meet gets stuck with the job of dealing with parking for the entire meet. One is that most attendees want to park in "their"spot and not have to be moving their car. We do have to move the cars this year at Denver for judging. We are doing this only because we have no alternative .Setting up the showfield on judging day brings a level of stress that no one wants. That is why the cars usually get parked in the same location. There are not a lot of people who want to be responsible for parking cars, especially redoing it all on judging day. It is a moot point any way , as the parking situation has been resolved, despite some of the rambling that keeps going on here indicating the contrary. So I am not sure what the issue is, and how we can still be talking about parking at this point, but just to clarify, the assistant head judge (almost always a host Chapter member) actually handles the parking based on the list provided by the registrar of the actual registrations. The Chief judge only approves that this configuration will work and not impede the judging process.
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10 hours ago, NTX5467 said:
In many cases, those cars WERE show cars, but they were left parked in a space that was needed by OTHER show cars on show day. As far as I'm concerned, EVERY Buick that comes to the event, even if it's in the spectator parking area, is worth looking at. Many times, I see cars in the spectator parking that I like more than some in the judged vehicle parking area.
Willis Bell 20811
Willis , Thank you for your very perceptive views on this. Random car parking happens to some degree at every meet. This year in Denver, it could especially be a problem because we have to move the entire show field in one morning. This sort of thing happens , every year. The fence at South Bend, the sale of the parking lot that was to be the show field at Plano, and this year the Denver conducting negations with the hotel for promised parking right up until a week ago. I have said it before, but the host BCA Chapters that run National Meets and the National Meet Committee endeavor to put on the best possible meet for ALL attendees . Every aspect gets hammered out and rehammered out and a plan B established in case of problems. It is very discouraging to all concerned, to see this much dialog about a non issue such as where a car gets parked.
There are certain facts that never change. #1 Many BCA members want their cars judged. #2 It requires a cadre of judges and admin people (all volunteers, who lose a big part of their free time) to get this done. #3 The Chief Judge for that National Meet (this year, that would be me) has the responsibility to organize the show field, and the Assistant Head judge carries out the plan to get it done. #4 It takes a number of parking volunteers to get the job done. The overall success of this is directly related to the number of members that step up ti the plate to implement the process. # 5, many BCA members do not want their cars judged. They have to be accommodated in the same manner as judged cars. How that is accomplished is directly connected to what ever show field layout we have to deal with at any given Meet. #6 Many hotels are utilizing smaller parking lots than they previously did. This is directly related to the cost of the land they sit on. Some of the more "desirable venues" actually present a bigger challenge to come up with suitable parking for a National Meet.
#7 (and this is my opinion) This whole parking situation could have been sorted out with a ten minute discussion between the interested parties. (Please let's not have a lot of finger pointing here, as Chief judge for this meet, I was involved in all of the perking discussion from the git go and there are already enough incorrect statements and assumptions on this thread)
#8 The attitude of the BOD and the National Meet Committee is that Chronological parking is a goal of every BCA meet to the extant possible.
Lets just end this thread and get on with something constructive.
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1 hour ago, Mark Shaw said:
Jack,
As previously posted, all prewar Buick owners, including the modified owners, can choose to park all-together with the PWD for the entire meet. Mark
Mark : Not sure how the modifieds got in to the discussion on parking. It has NEVER been a part of the discussion. I can guarantee you that on Saturday, The modifieds will be in the modified Classes . Not in prewar. They are judged by the people in their Division. The modified classes span all years of modified Buicks, from Reattas to `1905 Buicks (if such were to exist). We are not going to have the modified judges running all over the show field to try and get their job done. CoOperation is one thing , chaos is another.
I frankly am not going to involved in any further discussion on this subject.
On Saturday during Judging, all modified cars (being judged) will be be judged will be in the modified classes. exactly for the reason mentioned above.
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2 hours ago, MrEarl said:
Actually the more I think about it I sort of like that idea Willis, and could be easily workable. For instance, not in favor of modifieds being spread over the entire lot, when I want to see the modifieds, I don't want to have to go hiking all over the field looking for them. just a counterpoint Mark, just a counterpoint...
In Denver, the modified could be parked prior to the Saturday judging in a chronological order, if an owner so chose, if I remember correctly , the modified have a division of their own and may very well want all together parking in their division as they have always had. On Saturday during Judging, all modified cars (being judged) will be be judged will be in the modified classes. exactly for the reason mentioned above.
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On 4/17/2018 at 8:48 PM, 38Buick 80C said:
wait you have a 38 Buick????
Brian: I do have a 1938 Buick model 41. It is an all original car, including paint, chrome, interior, etc. I have been chasing this car for over 40 years, and the owner turned 90 last year and decided to downsize and get rid of that "old Buick. because it is just like a modern car". He kept his Model A Ford.
I drove the '38 to the NY Regional meet that John DiFore and his Chapter put on last Fall. A total of 450 miles round trip for it. It ran great all the way and back. The owner had put radial wide whites on it. I will go back to bias plys , trying to decide to go with white wall or black wall.
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1 hour ago, DShip said:
Jack...PM sent.
Dave: Thanks Got it, I am technically challenged sometimes.
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on a totally different note, I am wondering if anyone can guide me through the process of editing my Info , such as cars listed. I have been trying to figure out how to add my 1938 Buick, and can not seem to find the correct path to do that.
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Most of the National Meets, that i have brought a car to, I have shown it as display only.
Even though I am heavily involved with the judging program, I do not care about submitting my car for judging for the most part. I do have one car that is a Gold / Senior car, but I have also participated in a 2000 mile plus tour with that same car. BCA National Meets are currently set up for members to get the most of that fellowship regardless of their reason for attending. Some come to see other cars and get ideas for cars, that they are restoring, others to buy Buick parts from our vendors , some to have their cars judged. The greatest fun to me is seeing the cars and getting together with my many BCA friends. Why are we hung up on why other members attend?
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The whole issue of "altogether" and "chronological" parking has been hammered out to the point where, I even hesitate to even bring it up. That said, John DiFore has done as good a job as I have seen of explaining where this is at the moment. I know that a parking issue at a previous National Meet has brought this to the forefront. That is long over and done with. No one on the National Meet Committee has been against this type of parking. The biggest issues are that parking at any National Meet becomes a compromise between the hotel and the host chapter. Many times a planned parking arrangement gets changed at the 11th hour due to a hotel selling part of their parking lot, agreements between hotels and their neighbors going away just before a meet is scheduled to happen. (the same situation can occur with trailer parking) Unless a person has been involved in the running of a meet, it can be very difficult to understand how these situations can occur. The other issues that can and do occur is a lack of volunteers to actually do the parking. Much of our membership is aging and can not be putting 8 plus hours a day parking cars in the summer heat. As John mentioned in his comments, every effort will be made to accomplish chronological parking starting at the 2018 Denver meet. This will be our initial trial for this type of parking with the expectation, that what ever is learned will be used to make improvements going forward. It is not expected that modifieds will be included as, they use a different type of judging, and will probably prefer to park in the modified Class. Modifieds span a great number of years and this would put too great a strain on the organization of the meet, if they prefer to be judged.
I am also sure that any modified that wants "display only" and wants to be chronologically parked could be accommodated.
I am looking forward to the Denver Meet. The host chapter has done a great job in organizing this meet.
Jack Welch (National Meet Committee / 2018 National Meet Head Judge)
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John: Love the idea. I may or may not make, it but I will have a lot fun trying. This is strictly an activity where the journey is more important than the destination. My '38 is waiting for tis lousy New England weather to go away and bring Spring.
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Brian: If you think back on the whole National Meet thing, you will probably remember the roller coaster that the BCA has been through. We once had Chapters competing to run meets. The hotels wanted the business so bad, that they would send reps to present to the BOD on behalf of the Chapter. As participation in the Chapters has decreased, the will to run Nationals and take a chance that if the meet lost money, they were in big trouble as a Chapter. The National Meet Committee came in to being, but it really became Mike and Nancy Book trying to run the Nationals by them selves. The BOD employed an event planning company to assist with Hotel negotiations . The costs went up and the value (in my opinion ) went down . Enter the present National Meet Committee. We tried to get Chapters involved in running Meets again. Hotels these days want guarantees on total room nights and food consumption . Nationals are usually planned starting three years out. The present NMC is just now assuming its position of advising Chapters on National Meets. Denver's was already up against it in terms of cost before they even got involved and that Chapter has done an outstanding job of putting a National together. They stepped in after another region had backed out. I am simplifying all of this but, it is safe to say that at this juncture , the National and Chapter are on the hook for rooms, even though it is the members that pay individually for them . That has all changed in the upcoming meets after 2018, but it takes a while to turn the ship. As far as finances are concerned, once they are public, it is not only our membership that has access to that info, and that is one of my concerns. Again, I have not decided either way, but I am not overwhelming in favor of it.
I am interested in hearing your other pressing issues.
Jack
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Terry: I am not sure you and I can come to an a agreement on National Meets. As I had said, I think they should be tailored to accommodate all who attend. Those who wish to have their cars judged, as well as display only, and those who attend with no car at all. Most of your concerns seem to be those that can be addressed by a correspondence with the National Meet Committee. Just to be clear, I do feel that judging a a very important part of any National Meet and not all cars that win awards are "trailer queens". Minute Man Chapter member Bill Berstrom won a National Senior award , with a 1941 Buick Special wagon that he drove from Massachusetts to the Chicago National and completed his restoration on the road as he stopped at night. How much do you think that award meant to him? None of this reflects on my qualification to be a BOD member, but t least it shows you where I am coming from.
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Brian: Thanks for the comment about my posting. my name does appear on the bottom of my postings, but I will try and figure out a way to get it above Buick3746c. I know members prepay for an event, but should a disaster happen , Room nights would be cancelled and the hotel would come after the Club for the room night guarantee. The Club would than also be in the position of holding or not holding members prepaid deposits . All legal issues and not part of what is Germaine to my candidacy for the BOD.
I am on the fence about financials. I see both sides, but I am undecided at the moment.
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Mark: Since I sit on the National Meet Committee and I am running for the BOD, I see those as separate functions. I would prefer to keep my focus in this reply to my bid for the BOD. That said. You and I have had several email conversations about National Meets and I think that philosophically , we are on the same page about BCA National Meets. Bottom Line for me is that these are an expensive event for members to attend, and the National Meet Committee should endeavor to insure that all attendees have the best possible experience, regardless if they want to display only , judge or not bring any car at all.
Unfortunately it is difficult for a large number of members to attend these meets. I think we average around 10 percent of the Club at most of them. The one thing that all members do want is the Bugle. The BCA is finding that the dues income is not going to finance the expenses of the Club going forward, there will begin to be a deficit , that we will have to take measures to overcome. I believe we will have to be proactive in finding ways other than just member dues to maintain the same quality going forward. I know there is a move afoot to reduce our surplus, but I believe that surplus should be maintained as a cushion against bad times. In our present political and World environment, we read about disasters , both natural and man made on a daily basis.
The budget for a National Meet is around 100K. If we had a catastrophe of any type in the immediate area of a National, and it had to be cancelled, the Club could incur a significant loss. As an example, a few years ago at the end of the meet in Concord NC, a tornado type of storm ran through Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia. It happened as people were leaving. Many areas for a great number of miles around Concord had no power, or gasoline. If that had happened 2 or 3 days earlier, the Concord Meet could have suffered a large loss. The BCA would have had to pick up that tab. Many years ago, the National Meet in Arizona suffered a loss, the BCA had to bail that one out also..
Sorry to ramble, but the short version (too late for that ) is that I would be deeply committed to keeping the BCA viable. I believe that to be my number one priority. The National Meet parking issues , etc will work themselves out.
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Mark: it is certainly your right to vote for any candidate that you please. It is also your right to endorse any candidate that you choose. I am not sure why you sent this link to me, but since you did, I will say that I am a candidate for the BCA BOD this year also. My own business experience includes running the service department of a large major Corporation, Owning my own mechanical Contracting Company,, serving on the Planning Board for the City of Melrose for many years and serving, as president of the Melrose Rotary Club, etc, etc. Add to that My many years experience on the New England Region of The Classic Car Club of America and past regional Director.
Oh yes, Co Chair for two National BCA Meets. I also serve on the National Meet Committee and this year will be my third as Chief judge for a BCA National Meet. I think that should meet most our members expectation of "leadership and Experience"
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1985 Buick Riviera Parts car for sale. Car has good drive train and would drive, but it is not a driver at this time and would be a costly restoration, hence we are selling it as a parts or donor car. Car is located in Massachusetts. $885.00 car is rusty, again not a restorable car. It has a valid Massachusetts title. email cartoys@comcast.net
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Lovely cars, both of them. 90 Series Buick are Full Classics for a reason.
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Just to let you know this car is located in Massachusetts.
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1963 Buick Skylark hardtop coupe. This beautiful Skylark is a low mllage rust free California car. It has a great pait job set off with an excellect vinyl top. This V8 powered car has an automatic transmission. The interior is in very good original condition with black bucket seats.
This Skylark has the straightest body, that i have ever seen on one of these cars. email cartoys@comcast.net cell 617-838-3525
You will not find a better one at $22,400
1931 buick sport roadster 94 series
in Buick - Pre War
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interesting to note an early '31 number on the front and a late'31 bumper on the rear. Love those ninety series cars.