C22 factory of origin and date question

[trickydicky43richard]

My Aussie 1939 Royal was assembled here in Oz from knocked down form and includes many Aussie manufactured parts to satisfy local Australian content Laws of that era.

MY question is,... Can anybody tell from my cars serial number 7,585,909 engine No C22-13133 what USA factory it may have come from and in what month/year,

Thanks

[ply33]

Number 7,585,909 is found in the serial number range of 7,574,001 to 7,624,875 so it was the 11,909th of 50,875 built in the US. I don't see more than "U.S. Built" in my serial number table. If it was Canadian built it would have a number in the 9,712,121 to 9,714,598 range.

 

Looks like the Canadian C22 Royal 6 shared the same serial number series as the Canadian C22 Windsor 6 while the US built Windsors had a separate serial number range from the Royals.

 

Just guessing if they had uniform production rates that since your car is about 20% of the way through the serial number range it might have been built about 20% through the model year. Since it is listed in the "US Built" number ranges the is a possibility that Chrysler Historical has the "build card" on file. If they do, that would give the exact date of manufacture (or at least assembly of the knocked down kit for shipment).

[trickydicky43richard]

Thanks, Please point me in the direction of the Chrysler Historical people, I would love to know more,

Rich

[ply33]

Thanks, Please point me in the direction of the Chrysler Historical people, I would love to know more,

Rich

http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/Heritage/Pages/Historical-Services.aspx

and 

http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/Heritage/Pages/Build-Records.aspx

 

(These are different URLs that I knew about before, looks like Fiat-Chrysler has changed things around since I last looked.)

[lozrocks]

1939 the body should be Richards built if it was built in Australia and will have TJR stamped into the firewall. Only the chassis and mechanicals were imported and these came from Canada. Late 1939 early 1940 Richards retooled for military production and cars were fully imported. I was under the impression that the imports still came from Canada at that time. With that body number your car may be a US built Chrysler that was converted after import.

[trickydicky43richard]

Yes it does have a TJR badge and a Govt Taxi compliant badge, interesting your theory about RHD conversion in 1939. The car's early serial number denotes US manufacture not Canadian. My car does differ in many small ways to Yankee built cars. For instance the interior sun visors are different, the door operating and window hardware uses splined handle fitments rather than the American 3/8 square shaft and pin style and the front bumper is different.

I put this down to maybe local content laws of the era. My spare wheel in the boot/trunk is located on the LHD (our curb side) yet I think the USA cars have their spare on the RHD side ??would that be correct ?

[trickydicky43richard]

Since last post I have heard from the friendly Chrysler Historical people who have advised they amazingly do have records of my Aussie imported (or exported) car for a $25 dollar fee paid by Cheque (Check) or Money order.

One problem in paying this way is that my Cheque or Money order will be in Aussie dollars how do I get around this, the exchange rate changes daily !!

They need to modernise (ize) and have a Credit Card or Pay PaL facility which will adjust payment to Yankee Dollars.

That aside, I am keenly looking forward to the valuable and cherished information in the near future.

 

Question.. Can some one kindly explain what a USA car ownership/Title is, I often see American car adverts stressing that their car comes with or without correct "Title" documents ?? We  don't have that system here.

Thanks

[Rusty_OToole]

I don't know about Australia but around here you can buy a money order at any post office in any currency you wish. The fee for international money orders is higher than for domestic though.

 

Cars must be registered with the state government and issued with license plates to be driven on the roads. The title document is about half the size of a standard sheet of paper and folds in quarters or sixths, down to the size of a credit card and can be carried in the wallet, or in a plastic folder that goes in the glove compartment. It must be in the car in case you are stopped by the police, they will want to see the registration and insurance documents. Sometimes we leave a photocopy of the registration in the car.

 

To sell a car the ownership or title must be signed and dated by the seller in the spaces provided. The new owner presents the title at the Department of Motor Vehicles and they change the records to show the new owner's name and address and issue a new title.

 

Traditionally printed on pink paper, the title was sometimes called the 'pink slip'.

 

If you took out a loan with the car as collateral the lender would hold the title as security and give you a copy, or a paper indicating that they held the title.

 

So to have the pink slip meant you owned the car outright with no loan.

 

'Racing for pink slips' means a race in which the winner gets the loser's car.

 

Sometimes when an old car is out of commission for a long time the owner loses the pink slip. Or, if a non running car changes hands the buyer may not bother to change the registration into his own name.

 

There are a lot of old cars that do not have legitimate ownership documents for these reasons. It is very hard to register such vehicles. There are ways of doing it but it can be a bureaucratic nightmare. And if the car was ever reported stolen, it will be seized and returned to the last registered owner.

 

So having legitimate title or registration document can be very important. There are a lot of old cars for which they have been lost and of course, this has an effect on value and desirability.

 

I suppose you must have some system of registering and licensing cars in Australia? Possibly using the log book system as in Europe?

Edited May 29, 2015 by Rusty_OToole (see edit history)

[Rusty_OToole]

I have a vague idea that the titles or registration of cars, was patterned after a system of registering ships that originated in Australia in the 1880s.

[lozrocks]

Post Office will sell you a money order in US dollars. They are linked with Western Union and it will cost about $5 and the exchange rate of the day sent.

In regards to the spare tyre location. I have to admit I have never noticed.

[trickydicky43richard]

G'Day, Lozrocks, my Post Office said it could not provide a money order or any similar thing in US Dollars that could be honoured in the US.

I eventually went to a Crown Money Exchange and sent actual real US Dollars,risky I know,fingers crossed.