Guest edanielson Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I am restoring a 1908 or 1910 Buick Model 10 Toy Tonneau with engine #15752. When I disassembled the engine, there were no felts or seals to keep oil from leaking past the main bearings in the crankcase or oil pan. I have done a good bit of model T Ford engine work and the T uses felts for main bearing seals. The T also has "troughs" for the felts to set down into. The Buick crankcase and oil pan does not have "troughs" for a felt to set down into. It just has a flat boss that is about 3/16" thick. Should this engine have some kind of seals to keep the front and rear mains from leaking to the outside of the crankcase and oil pan? If so, what do you suggest that I use. Thank you. Eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Eric, Buick didn't seal the shafts that penetrate the gear case. I used a freeze plug to seal the leaky shaft in my 13 Buick. Using a hole saw, I cut a groove into the aluminum case a bit larger than the OD of the shaft and used Locktite to seal the freeze plug in place over the end of the shaft. Others have installed lip seals to solve this problem, but sometimes there just isn't enough room. Check out the BrassBuicks page for expert advice on you Buick.Mark ShawVancouver, WA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silverghost Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I don't believe that this engine had any oil seals installed origionally. There are several methods of retrofitting some sort of seals front and rear. Most require machining the crank case and installing some sort of two part retainer plate assembly inside or outside the crankcase to hold the new seals in place. Modern thin lip-type seals or felt/leather fabricated seals can then be used. In the very early days...seals were very crude...if they were used at all!!We would like to see some photos of your great project...I love these cars!!!They are the ultimate Early Antique Auto !!!Good Luck to You and your BUICK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Only my two cents but I like to put my cars back to original as a historical tribute to the car I own, if it smoked when new it should when restored. If it dripped some oil it still should. How will future generations understand where we were and how far we have come in automotive engineering. you probably will not drive enough to waste too much oil. some of the antiques I have purchased were preserved just for the fact of all the oil that ended up on the chassis. Yes, post a photo I like the old ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I respect your two cents as it does apply for museum pieces. But for those who actually drive their old cars on several tours each year, loosing heavy gear lube is not just messy;...it can be expensive too. When my gear case "wallowed out" enough to dump half of the 250wt gear oil on the hotel parking lot overnight and had to be replenished each day, I fixed the leak. Mark ShawVancouver, WA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silverghost Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 How much space do you have in your crankcase between each end of the crank and the case casting??? If you can provide a photo or sketch I would be able to design a seal and retainer for you that possibly would not show on the outside of the engine! I would be glad to help!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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