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Bias or Radials?


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There are nothing like wide whitewalls to dress up a vehicle. But on my 52 Chev. PICKUP my bias tires need to be replaced. A number of people have recommended radials. What are your thoughts? Do you know any good tire suppliers for the 6.00 X 16 rims?

This truck is primarily a driver. Though it is a looker going down the road, it is one year too new to compete in shows around here. I get grouped with 1970's and 80's trucks with all the trimmings. I simply love the history and enjoy showing it regardless.

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Are you wanting them for a show car/truck or a driver? If for a show car/truck then radials are a major deduction at 3 points per tire including any spares that are radials.

Many people try to argue that radials are safer and therefore should be viewed the same as turn signals or seat belts as allowable safety items. But so far the AACA has held fast in not allowing them.

Some people go ahead and put radials on to drive and enjoy the car/truck and have correct bias-ply tires for shows. But if you intend to show the vehicle and money is a concern put the money in correct tires.

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Guest De Soto Frank

For once, I'll try to bring things back on topic...

If you're looking for tires for a pick-up driver, check some of your local tire merchants (Mom & Pops); I picked-up some 7.50 x 16 bias mud-grips for my '61 Willys several years ago...Goodyear Workhorse. They ran about $80 per tire, which is about $20 cheaper than the "antique" 6.50 x 16s I've been putting on my De Soto for the last several years.

If you're looking for "authentic" tires, then Coker or Universal are your best bets...FYI, your '52 Chevy pick-up originally came with U.S. Royal tires (now "Uniroyal") - I think Coker has U.S. Royal repros in truck sizes...

Plan on spending about $100 per tire (or more) for "antique" tires. While you're at it, get new tubes too...it's not worth the aggravation to put thitry to fifty year-old tubes into new tires just to save a few bucks; I forgot this "rule" the other week when installing a new tire on my De Soto, and a week later was breaking down the new tire to put a new tube in it...

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Guest De Soto Frank

Well put, Bill...

Wide-whites are a lot of maintenance; plus very few (if any) working trucks would've worn wide-whites in 1952.

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Couple of thoughts on tires:

First of all, the WIDTH of white-walls shrank starting with the mid-1930's. By the early 1950's, only VOUGE still had anything even resembling a "wide" white-wall - you rarely saw those on anything but new Cads and Packards. By the mid 1950's, there was simply no such thing as a truly WIDE white-wall - pretty funny when you go to car shows and see present day collector "wides" on these 50's era cars. The white wall tires of the 1950's were around 2.2" wide.

A pick up truck with white-walls in the 1950's..? NEVER saw one, even in the flamboyant Hollywood that I lived in, in those years.

Sadly, there is WIDE variation in the quality of the "repro/collector" tires. I have Cokers on my 16,000 lb V-12 American La France fire engine - it handles so well I call it my "big red sports car". Of course they are bias - no radials are available in that size. I had "repro/collector" bias tires on my Packard Twelve - its sloppy handling, "plowing" in corners, "hunting" every tar strip, had me convinced something was wrong with the steering (because I KNEW how these cars DID handle with "real" quality bias tires).

Ever tried to take the front end apart on a Packard Twelve with IFS ? DONT unless you read the instructions that may still come with the parts kit for these car by STEELE ( I know those instructions are good, and a safe way to do this...I wrote em ! ).

The problem was not in the suspension - it was in the bias tires available in thatd size (8:25 x 16). Recently, a couple of "collector tire" companies have come out with full sixe 7:50 x 16 radial wide whites (that are, incidentally, NOT as wide as some - they are the CORRECT width for the more conservative later classic era ) and...presto - had my car's wonderful handling back. See...I KNOW how these cars handled with DECENT bias ply tires, so I KNOW that in this particular case, the radials simply RESTORED the built-in excellent road feel and handling.

Another problem with many of the so called "collector/bias" tires - they accent the built in problem of bias tires - internal tire heating at speed. Internal tire heating is what causes catastrophic failure in tire casings. With the radials, you can drive heavy cars at normal freeway speeds without them coming apart. Believe me - a three ton car moving at 70 mph...having a blow out from those damned fool "collector / bias" tires, was not exactly a day in the park.

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Wow! So the wide whites may be a mistake if we're sticking to the original ... Thanks for the info concerning the modern move to the wide whites. I fell for them. And you're right -- The tires were expensive and poor. Trying to drive the truck on trips of any length was like taking your life into your hands. The tires sought out every road variation throwing the vehicle all over the road. They also did heat which, I'm sure, sped their demise. I'll look for the bias tires you mentioned and compare them too the Coker radials. Thanks so much for all the info!

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