Guest Hal Davis (MODEL A HAL) Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Pete,SPECIFICALLY, it's your condescending attitude. Note I said "YOUR" condescending attitude, not that of the CCCA. I never said that the CCCA were snobs, nor would I characterize a whole group as such. Even if some of them are, they tend to keep their mouth shut over here on the AACA forum. I fully understand and appreciate the reasons for owning a full classic. It's not my scene, but I do understand and have no problem with those that do own them. My problem with you is that you come across like everybody is jealous of you and your car, and those that are not should be. If you would just get down off of your high horse, I'd have no problem with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> if you would just get down off your high horse </div></div> You mean CLASSIC Packard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 So...Hal..if I read you correctly....you don't really have any argument with my technical discussions..? All this is nothing more than you are aggravated because another guy has a bigger, faster, more powerful one than you...?...gawd.....I guess I'd better "get with the program"...looks like I am going to be aggravated over a LOT of guys !Hal..if we dont have any legitimate technical issues to discuss between us..and you dont have any legimate issues with the CONTENT of my "posts"....what say we stop wasting the time of people who DO have a legit. interest in REAL old car issues.....and take your comments over to the RAVES section....Pete Hartmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Uncool behavior guys. I think you chuckleheads need to go outside and square off at 40 paces mith my old Colt 45's. Remember it's about the people in the cars not the cars themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Uncool behavior guys. I think you chuckleheads need to go outside and square off at 40 paces mith my old Colt 45's. Remember it's about the people in the cars not the cars themselves. </div></div>europeancarnut...Well intended post, however, I assure you that, what I consider to be amusement, will not go away. Many have attempted to eliminate this before to the point that "many" old forum participants simply stopped posting.I learned to read his posts just for amusement. To each his own. He has a right to post, using what seems like "umpteen" different handles over the years, but, that's the way it is...My advise: To avoid becoming aggravated, irritated, or, whatever, simply ignore...there are many good, down-to-earth topics on this forum. The man is knowledgeable, I must say, concerning car issues. The rest is amusing in my opinion. Regards, Peter J. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I read you Pete. I think sometimes people take this way too seriously. It's supposed to be fun. Way out here in rural Texas folks stereotype the young kids that modify Hondas and such. To the point they're no longer invited to cruise ins. I call these guy's chuckleheads too. They never talk to the kids IN the cars they just look at the big rims, neon undercarriage, stickers, and all that and assume they're bad news. The nose rings don't help their case either. Anyway my point is (yeah I know) that they're enthusiasts just like you and me. They're young and due to insurance, gas, crappy jobs, etc. it's cheaper for them to buy a little Japanese car and fix it up. I see it as a phase they will eventually grow out of and then they'll be getting into "adult" cars. But if we ostracize them we make ourselves look like dickheads and they'll go on to be ordinary mundane middle class citizens. They'll get out of the hobby, that's bad news. My point is that we need to make all people and all their cars feel welcome. Shoot I sold both of my restored cars (I'm not even going near the classic/antique thing) and I still go to cruise ins in my 99 F150. I help out people with their car problems. 3 weeks ago I built up a Honda engine for a kid for $75 because that's all he had. I can't even count the number of low buck or flat out freebie repairs I do to keep somebody elses pride and joy running. It's about giving to the hobby not causing bitterness and strife. Group hug guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 For Heizmann and Euro -I couldn't agree more - that this SHOULD be about cars and auto-tech. related issues. I believe the overwhelming majority of car buffs who come in here to read our "posts", are honestly interested in learning something and they do NOT want their time wasted with "personality disputes".However, humans being what we are, in any gathering in any area of human activity, we are always going to find a small number who get bent out of shape if they cant be "right" and/or dont like to hear info. that conflicts with some tangent they are off on. Heizmann - for your info. I do not "change handles" to be evasive. Again, I personally think it helps everyone if we sign our "posts" with our real name - hopefully, this leads to more responsible "posts"...."posts" that focus on issues, rather than personalities. Of COURSE some people have good reasons to use "handles" rather than their real names; that is their business.I have had to repeatedly change pass-words and sign-in code names, but only because we have a few "hard heads" who go to pieces when beliefs they hold dear are subject to examination, and they "boot" me. Since most people know me or know of me, I am not all that worried about some of their silly accusations that I was somehow vulgar or otherwise violate appropriate standards..most people know to "consider the source" of such accusations.I think the operators of this forum did well to create the RAVES section - hopefully those who want to take our time on non auto-tech-history related issues, will go there to blow off steam on personality issues. I couldnt agree more - let's keep this part of the forum focused on old car issues, not personalies.Getting back to the first "poster's" question, hopefully, my first response was useful to him (see above) will help him get a bit of perspective. As I suggested, he should do what HE thinks is best for HIM, and not worry too much about what this or that group has to say at any given moment in history. My own belief, is that a wise individual choice, made with an open mind, is going to work out better for someone in ANY field, rather than go along with some "group's" transitory fad.Pete Hartmann1998 Sears Riding Mower (plus other assorted "gear head" vehicles.......!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Davis (MODEL A HAL) Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Pete,I've not paid any attention to your "technical" discussions because they rarely address a subject I'm intersted in. I have most of the technical aspects of my restoration taken care of. The only "technical" discussion I recall of yours was when you tried to tell me what type paint was on my Model A from the factory, and you got that one wrong. I'm sure you have lots of valuable information to offer. It's just a pain to have to sift through the classic BS to get to it.I'd be happy to take my criticism of you to the R&R section, but it is not only the R&R section that you continue to accuse anyone who misuses your beloved "C" word of being either an idiot, jealous, or trying to unload something worthless for too much money.I'll make a deal with you (Damn, this reminds me of a Charlie Daniels song <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />). You use the AACA forum only for technical discussions and use the R&R section for preaching about classics, and I'll not criticise you at all. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Hal - you lost me...I dont recall a discussion on Model A Fords (other than my praise of them, for what they were). Paint ? My recollection is that Fords and Chrysler products used ENAMEL up thru the mid-1950's with Packard and General Motors using a lacquer-derivitive. I have NOT followed paint technology much after college, as I no longer had to take summer jobs, which included a stint in a body shop learning that trade.Wait a sec...I DO recall someone (was that you)...telling me that Ford DID use lacquer in SOME Ford assembly proceedures...and if so..I stand corrected. Refresh my memory....what part of WHICH Fords of WHAT eras used enamel, and what did they use lacquer for (must have made for some interesting assembly-line set ups...what can you tell us about that.?).No "deals".....you come in here and discuss and comment on what YOU think would be helpful to car buffs...and I will do the same. And stop trying to make me appear as some kind of "word dictator". It would NOT occur to me or any of my old car buff buddies to tell YOU or anyone else what you should call your car, or mine... but by the same token, when I start poking fun at someone who I suspect KNOWS they are mis-using a word...and they get angry...this only adds to my suspicion they KNOW they are full of hot air....well...let me qualify that...perhaps some of these guys are right..and the young person of today hasn't a CLUE what a real classic car is...they may never have actually even seen one. That being the case..it really does puzzle me why you see this fevor about "tacking on" the word "classic" to so many things...?Now...with that said...be sure you look me up if you are ever out this way....I will take you to lunch in what I got made fun of when I owned it as a kid....and we can go get some "Classic Coke" to guzzle while I buy you a lunch of "Classic Chicken"....Pete Hartmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Hi, Pete...I am inclined, however, refuse to respond in detail. Would be a waste of time. You, me, and, others would rather forget the past. "Peace"...Keep up the good info from your extensive knowledge. All of us will benefit within this mutual hobby.Regards, Peter J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Hello all. I'm new to the board so I hope you take this in the spirit intended. I own two Ford Mavericks, one a rare subgroup, and both are '76 models. Now, the subject of this post interested me very much as I have seen the problem with some not recognizing cars from the '70s as collector vehicles. So, what IS the AACA stand on cars like mine? I am seriously considering joining the AACA, but if my generation of cars are not going to be considered as others are, maybe I shouldn't. This word "classic" seems to be a term of varying definition in our circles. I'd appreciate some constructive feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6219_Rules Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Your cars are not considered classics, any more than mine are but that does not mean they are not collectable. The whole purpose of the club is to share information and work to preserve our cars. Someday yours may be, so I say join and get the benefits from the people you will meet.I am considering joining myself. Not all cars will ever make the designation of being a "Classic". That is OK. If all things were considered rare, then what would be common? Your cars are valuable in their context, leave it at that and enjoy them. Trust me...you will be a whole lot happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 I'm in the same boat. None of my stuff is considered "classic". <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I have a 59 Mercedes 220. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> A real classy car in it's day, and it's not considered for classic status. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I don't get how they can say a 32 Rolls Royce is a classic but a 2004 Rolls Royce is not. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />I mean hell a 2004 is still a very exclusive hand made car only for the elite. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> But I'm just a good ol' boy from down south. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I also have a 62 MG Magnette. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> It's a 4 door sport sedan. The modern day equivelant would be like a BMW 3 series sedan. It's kind of cool because every source I've talked to has told me that during MG's run in the US less than a thousand Magnettes were sold here. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> They never caught on like the convertibles. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Less than a thousand during the 15 year run of the car makes mine kinda special. I also have a 23 Ford T-Bucket that's going to get a 300 six and a 5 speed manual. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It is DEFINETELY not allowed at any AACA event. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I also have a chopper that is late in the fabrication stage. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It'll be Harley powered and made for me by me. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I'll ride it at events because everybody likes a chopper with straight pipes. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Welcome to the board. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> This smiley thing is nifty. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6219_Rules Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Well they don't consider my '77 Eldorado Biarritz to be special either..that may change or not.Regardless, there are many clubs that recognise cars of different types, times and origins. The AACA and CCCA have their definitions. All clubs have their bylaws and definitions. Just because one says a car is not a "classic" does not mean someone else will not. Personally I just like people who love cars. Otherwise I could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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