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Does anyone know if the overdrive unit on a '39 straight eight car (Imperial, New Yorker or Saratoga) is the same for a manual "cruise & climb" transmission as it is for a "Fluid Drive" transmission? That is to say, could the overdrive unit be used with either transmission? Could it also be used on a Royal C22 six cylinder car? Thanks!

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Wikipedia says "A conventional clutch and three-speed or four-speed manual transmission was installed behind the fluid coupling," so I would expect the only difference might be the drive shaft length and the pinion shaft (main drive gear) if the fluid coupling bell housing was longer.

 

According to The Hollander,

  • the C22 used case 1T86-1 without overdrive and case T86A-1 with overdrive;
  • the C23 Imp. used case T85A-1 w/o o/d and T85A-1A w. o/d; and
  • the C24 Imp. used only case T85A-1A w. o/d.

Thus C23 and C24 w. o/d used the same case. But what about the o/d? The Hollander doesn't mention  them.

 

Complete sets of gears interchange between '35 and '39 for the C22 w. and w/o O/d. The C23 main drive gear (pinion +gear) is the same in both gearboxes. The C24 has a different MDG to the C23, maybe for the fluid drive? Maybe it is longer?

 

In all cases the drive shafts will be different length between w. and w/o o/d.

 

The National Service Data manual (3000+ pages) lists the C23 (optional) and C24 with Warner model AS5-T85A overdrive. Only one prop shaft on C23, two on C24. The case will be either R6 or R7. The C22 has model AS3-T86A o/d which is also R6 or R7.

 

Rear axle ratios were usually different in cars equipped with o/d compared to non-o/d vehicles.

 

The numbers on this one mean it could be from a C23 or C24.  http://p15-d24.com/gallery/image/2616-1939-transmission-4/

Edited by Spinneyhill (see edit history)
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