Guest Posted October 12, 2000 Share Posted October 12, 2000 Does anyone here own a FACTORY Stage 2 buick GS ? And does anyone know of the stage 2 option that was avaible in 1968/69? if so please post a picture of your stage 2 or give some info about 68/69 stage 2's or email me a pic at <BR>Thanks,<BR>ARLOG13@AOL.COM<BR> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbuickgs Posted October 13, 2000 Share Posted October 13, 2000 I don't think there were any factory stage 2 cars except the 70 yellow X that was in the G M training center in cal. All parts were over the counter from 68 to 72(?). i just bought a 69 stage 1 with all over the counter stage 2 parts from holley carb ,unmarked b4b,cast iron heads, slip together headers and 478 10 bolt posi. the engine is stamped 430,but the trans is a numbers match "BB", so the car was a stage 1. if any one has more info on the factory stage 2 parts , i would also like to find this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I have a 1969 Buick parts book. It has a red cover and not to be confused with the green cover "chassis service manual". Anyway, I was looking through it and I remember seeing alot of part #s for 430 stage 2 parts pistons, rings, pins, cam, etc. I thought "what the heck!!!!" I know they didn't race wildcats and rivieras or Electras. What gives? Then I found out that the NHRA had a cubic inch displacement limit of 430 cubes at least up until 1970. So in fact the 1970 chevelles that ran in stock classes in 70 actually had to run 427s, Even the Kenne-Bell 70 GS that said 455 on the side ran a 430 but since Buick wasn't making that engine any more and you don't want to advertise something they don't sell, the cars all said 455. I have seen pictures of the 68 stage 2 prototype intake manifold that features 4 weber 2 bbl carbs. There were only 2 of these intakes cast and one is currently under the hood of a white 70 GS(had to trim the stacks on the front 2 barrels for hood clearence) nobody knows what happened to the other intake although I believe it was on the cover of a 1970 edition of HOT ROD magazine(can't remember the month but I have a copy in my basement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BqUICK Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Otter,You have good intel. I was wondering what was the story behind these 430 STAGE 2 Valve Cover Stickers. Got them at the big East Coast Carlisle Show a few years ago. Check out this attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQUICK1 Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Those stickers are for the 68-69 Stage 2 package which did NOT include Stage 2 heads. Included 11-1 forged pistons, bigger cam, beefier valve springs, alum B4B Edelbrock carb, larger cap. fuel pump.The Stage 2 heads didn't appear until 1971.I have a test and write up from Car Life of a 1968 GS 400 with the Stage 2 components.BruceBQUICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherf Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Is there any way to get a copy of your test writeup on the 68 400 stage 2. I have an the GS400 engine that was campained in the 68-69 season and documentation that was submitted to the NHRA to qualify the stage 2 engine as legal for stock class. The car we had ran C/SA and held the class record for part of the 69 race season. Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstg2 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 68 GS Vert-I have the 70 Stg2 Pops/KenneBell car with one of two (maybe) three factory stg2 hood/scoops, the iron stg2 heads, Kustom headers, ect. This car was never campaingned with a 430, always the 455. Was also used for testing the stg2 program. I do know the stg2 heads were being developed earlier than most people think. Jim (Bell) and Reynolds Buick received this car in Nov of 69...car was built in early Sept. Now what I can't confirm yet, is weather the stg2 components were put on at the factory (really in the engineer dept. like the X) or shipped with the car and installed at Reynolds. But I do know that it was immediately raced and tested with the stg 2 components. I have pictures of it in stg2 form being raced in late '69, early '70. And also in stg2 form when it came back from being lettered again in '69. (before it's frist race) The point is, these heads were out there and being tested in '69....If anyone as ANY info on stg2 parts, history, ect, It would be awesome if you could share this with me. I've started a "file" on anything stg2 and I too will share my info with anyone.Thanks, Guyemail: gparquet@smithbrosford.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BqUICK Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Guy,It was good to see this thread come alive again. You can send your 70 Stg2 Pops/KenneBell car photos to SMartin and he can post them. You have uncovered a lot of good information about when STAGE 2 heads were first developed, pre-1969. As a mechanical engineer, I know it takes years to develop parts at the GM corporate engineering level. Your car is quite a find! I race 1969 & 1970 Buick Electras, good for low 15s stock with duals. There are unofficial reports of STAGE 1 SS coded Electras that were sold by dealers. We now know there were STAGE 2 430s built for racing, sans the STAGE 2 heads only the STAGE 2 cam. STAGE 2 heads MAY have been tested on a 430 initially with disappointing results due to Bore/valve "shrouding" hurting flow. The larger 4.312" 455 bore helped!There was a "PX" Code AC delete 3.91 Positraction option as well for the Electra. If those options did coexist in one car, with dual exhaust or dealer MT Super Scavenger headers, a 12-13 second factory Electra would gave been possible! I can tell you however, from first hand experience, adapting headers to a 1969 Electra requires chassis and transmission cross member changes! http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=138419&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1I have tried to re-create a PX Code 1969 Buick Electra 430 STAGE 2 using a NOS 1997 Pee Gee Performance 455 STAGE I "INTIMIDATOR" block and Ford 9". The Buick 9-3/8" 3.91 rear is very rare and I would put that in a lighter duty drag car and not a high speed rally racer like my 1969 Electra GSX. There are a few people out there who know their STAGE 2 history pretty well. Perhaps you can contact Jim Bell, he is still kicking and may talk to you if you tell him what you have! God Speed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod 84 lesabre Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 hey! where can i get sme of those stage2 decals??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BqUICK Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 hotrod 84 lesabre,The 430 STAGE 2 Decals were nice quality reproductions but do not have the bumpy NOS type surface, if you know what I mean. They were kinda special and I never saw them in a catalog. I went to Hershy, PA and saw them on display and almost had a heart attack! After 30 years I never knew there were 430 STAGE 2s and I thought they were "one-off" fakes for some 430 nut! They represent the actual 430 STAGE 2 motor! God Speed,http://www.osborn-reproduction.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Listed at the bottom...on the A-Body page http://www.osborn-reproduction.com/catal...t_Position=PAR: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BqUICK Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Smartin,For some reason I cannot pull up your link. Here are some details that might help others interested. Please post the scan of my valve cover sticker so that people could see what one looks like. Thanks man!Jim Osborn Reproductions, Inc.http://www.osborn-reproduction.com/Look under "A" body VALVE COVER DECALS. ITEM NUMBER: DB03251967-69 430-4 STAGE 2 V.C.D.God Speed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 hmm...weird...oh well. It's at hte bottom of the list on the a-body decals. Oddly enough, since there were no A-bodies fitted with 430's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Pixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BqUICK Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Smartin,Thanks for posting these. The 430 STAGE 2 sticker is available from Osborn. The photo features a STAGE 2 "Head" motor in the foreground. The '70 GS is the old Reynolds Buick racer. The late great "Pop" Kennedy of Kenne-Bell Buick fame is in the center. It is possible that the motors on the stands are 1967 - 69 430s. The valve covers are difficult to see as the photo was really small. Another photo, not pictured, shows the dual quad motor with 400/430 valve covers. The sticker says Kenne-Bell so I do not know if the motor is a pre 1970 430 STAGE 1 or 2. (From the BUICK POWER BOOK, by Marty Schoor, 1979) What is a Riviera doing there among the racer guys? Is it a STAGE test car? Pop used to trounce much smaller cars with his 4,400 lb, switch pitch, nail head, 4.44 geared, Invicta back in the 60s! He loved to race with big Buicks!If anyone has any more info about this photo, please share it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstg2 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 And that is Pete Reynolds towards the back. That is the Stg2 car I'm restoring...almost complete. Jim (Bell) states that shot was taken for a magazine article and the editors wanted another car in the picture, so Pete grabbed a Riv off his lot. BTW, this is the car that Jim used for testing the stg2 program with Buick...Another story in itself.Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstg2 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 For what its worth, those are 400/430 style valve covers on the engines on the stands. Judging from my pictures of that shot.Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straycat Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...It is possible that the motors on the stands are 1967 - 69 430s. The valve covers are difficult to see as the photo was really small...</div></div>KB had their own company logo/sticker that fit the 67-69 valve covers, so they used those valve covers on the 455s too. Looked a lot cooler than the newer style 70-76 valve covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstg2 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Tommy-exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straycat Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Does anyone know have many versions of the iron Stage-2 heads exist. I'm just guessing at the following and don't know if they all really exist:Prototype (with cleanout bosses)Production (round port exhaust)Production (modified D port exhaust)????Prototype (tunnel ram intake)???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstg2 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know have many versions of the iron Stage-2 heads exist. I'm just guessing at the following and don't know if they all really exist:Prototype (with cleanout bosses)Production (round port exhaust)Production (modified D port exhaust)????Prototype (tunnel ram intake)???? </div></div>It took me awhile <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />hehe but I found out the answer.three types were made;Prototype (cleanout bosses)Production (round port exhaust) oh and btw, the intakes are also bigger and flow more than regular stg1 heads.prototype (tunnel ram intake) or referred to as tunnel *PORT* head, some called it a pro stock head. Buick never made an intake to fit this head....but the racer (pro stk?)Buick gave the heads to did and ran it on the 4 bolt block.Production (modified D port exhuast) *NO* Buick never made these...however Buick racers "in the know" would braze up the exhuast and make or report it into the D shape to speed up velocity and gain some hp.Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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