Guest MelJan Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Can you give advice to a rookie? I am trying to pull the front brake drum off a '38 D10 Business Coupe, and find a replacement drum. My common sense techniques at removal are not working, so is there a trick?I am also trying to find out what color the original paint was, and only have a paint code: 1507Advice and tips are most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Just be certain that the brake shoes are adjusted in as far as possible so that if there are grooves in the drum, it will not get caught on the shoes. I always turn the drum while trying to remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_woodwheels Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Go to www.autocolorlibrary com. You will find your color questions answered. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Are you using a drum puller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thanks Jim - that was helpful, but for some reason the paint code that I wrote down from the tag was not shown there. The car may have been mfg in Canada, and therefore may have a different code - but I am guessing.Thanks J.A.(2) - being a rookie, I wasn't aware one was needed, which means I am definitely on a steep learning curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_woodwheels Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 US model #'s for '37 were D-5. for 38 D-8 and 39- was D-11. I suggest you go to DodgeBrothersClub.org, bring up the technical advisors and contact the '36-'38 tech advisor, John Nieder. My inclination is that you do have a Canadian car, if so it would have a Plymouth engine in it. '38 Plym engine #'s started with P6-, 38- Dodge with D-8. Jim '33 tech advisor Dodge Bros Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thanks for the info. The info I was able to gleen from the tags on the firewall are:Model D10 B CPEBody No. 322Trim Code AKJPaint Code 1507The little manual that was in the glove box called it a Dodge Deluxe Six Business Coupe.It is my understanding that it was first sold in Canmore Alberta, but I could be wrong. Any and all tips, advice, pearls of wisdom are most appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DodgeKCL Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 You're missing one more number, the sequential chassis production number. If it was made in Windsor it would have a 9million number for a production unumber. If the number isn't on a plate anywhere then look on the outside of the frame just behind and below the rear shackle of the front left spring. There should be a 7 digit stamped number there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Thanks KCL - I missed one set of numbers. The Serial Number is 9482538. I assume then that the vehicle was made in Windsor. Good info. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Bill-W Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MelJan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info. The info I was able to gleen from the tags on the firewall are:Model D10 B CPEBody No. 322Trim Code AKJPaint Code 1507The little manual that was in the glove box called it a Dodge Deluxe Six Business Coupe.It is my understanding that it was first sold in Canmore Alberta, but I could be wrong. Any and all tips, advice, pearls of wisdom are most appreciated. </div></div>Your Dodge is a 1938 model. The D8 was the U.S. style Dodge, D9 the export model and in Canada the series based on the Plymouth Business Six while the D10 was a Canada-only model based on the Plymouth DeLuxe.Series names in Canada -D8 - Custom SixD9 - SixD10 - DeLuxe SixYour data plate -Model D10 B CPE1938 (D10) DeLuxe Six Business CoupeBody No. 322322nd 1938 DeLuxe Six Business Coupe built at Windsor, ONTrim Code AKJThe interior trim - have no info on Canadian-built cars before WW II.Paint Code 1507Riviera Blue (C.I.L. code 246-8456, Sherwin-Williams code L-4705)Do not have the paint chips for 1938, and this colour was a Canada-only colour. Any photos of the car, especially the firewall, trunk, etc. where unweathered paint may be? Also, Chrysler of Canada used lacquer paints up to and including 1942, switching to enamel for 1946.The serial number, 9482538, falls in the range for the 1938 D10 models - 9478116 to 9486415, for a total of 8,300. Thus your car was the 322nd D10 Business Coupe built and the 4,423rd D10 model built. The engine number should start with D10C and be the big 25" block with a 3.375" bore, 3.75" bore for 201.3-cid and 82-bhp. The DeLuxe Six came in six models (prices in Canadian dollars) -Business Coupe - $923, #2895Rumble seat Coupe - $1027, #29952-door Sedan - $1029, #29552-door Touring Sedan - $1045, #29704-door Sedan - $1070, #29704-door Touring Sedan - $1086, #2975No convertible coupes or LWB sedans were available in the Plymouth-based models in Canada. If you wanted either of those models you purchased a Dodge Custom. The Custom convertible coupe, convertible sedan and limousine were imported, by the way.BillVancouver, BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Bill-W Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 One more point. You will need a hub puller to remove the rear drums, but the front drums should come off once the shoes are retracted and the bearings and washers are removed.The 1938 Dodge, as with all Chrysler products of the era, used Lockheed brakes with an anchor bolt and cam for each shoe. The anchor bolts are at the bottom, positioned beside each other, with an arrow on each. Turn the anchors so the arrows are pointing to each other. The cam adjusters are located half way up each side of the backing plate. Turn these until the shoes are backed off the drums as far as possible. Turn the drum as you turn the cam to determine which way is which. As previously mentioned, turn the drum as you try to remove it. You should be able to work it off. BillVancouver, BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Bill - what a wealth of information, thank-you very much. I am also glad to find a local source of info, as I am in N.Van.Again, this if very much appreciated.Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I am now trying to track down info on the engine. I found a couple of numbers which hopefully will make sense to somebody. The number on the top of the head is PT 1120803-9. The zeros are pretty filled in with paint so it was difficult to be 100% sure.The number on the block is 860229-5. This was found on the lower left hand side of the block, and were only partially visible and partially had to be determined by feel.Do these number make sense??Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Bill-W Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MelJan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am now trying to track down info on the engine. I found a couple of numbers which hopefully will make sense to somebody. The number on the top of the head is PT 1120803-9. The zeros are pretty filled in with paint so it was difficult to be 100% sure.The number on the block is 860229-5. This was found on the lower left hand side of the block, and were only partially visible and partially had to be determined by feel.Do these number make sense??Mel </div></div>These appear to be casting numbers. If I am not mistaken, these numbers are raised, that is feel like bumps when you run your hand across them?The engine number should be stamped into the block. The number should be stamped left side of the engine block, just below the head, at the front end of the block.BillVancouver, BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelJan Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I looked at that area for the number for the engine and found the number AP 071.This seems to be an odd number, but does it make sense to anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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