John Bloom
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1 hour ago, prewarnut said:
My guess is this is a cut down sedan (car at least) done when it was a few years old (in period) and not a Locomobile truck or Riker truck as they looked differently. The cowl lights for example should have an aperture to focus light forward; these look like coach lights. The hood/radiator is high like on a later car (might just be the angle though) but this is RHD with flat wood dash/cowl as on an earlier car. Here's a photo from the Locomobile book of 1912 of the White Plains F.D. Loco. It is a combination ladder and hose truck but you can see it has a lot more fire accoutrements on it and appears "purpose-built" not as much in the one in the Cincy photo posted (granted it's not a fire truck). Locomobile was proud to have many "offerings" for diverse customers and seems to have consulted with the end customer on how to fabricate it successfully.
Good points and observations. I did look at the picture you posted about a week ago when I was trying to figure out what the "truck" in question is. I assumed it was a pre 38/48 car that was converted for work purposes due to it's strong engine and capabilities.
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I have never owned a corvair but I’ve been around several. I like the look. Quirky.....yes, but the early cars appeal to me.
For the same reason I like the rampside pickup models they made. I saw a very clean original one a few years ago and spent a couple weeks looking for one that wasn’t rusted out and untouched for cheap....I think that ship has sailed. Apparently I’m not the only one who likes them.
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On 4/3/2024 at 11:24 AM, Tom Laferriere said:
I have owned this car for over 7 years and haven't really used it much...even after spending 11K to install a gear vendor overdrive in the torque tube! Yikes! Offered at $59,500
Tom, that looks like the kind of car that when you are "tidying things up and detailing it to sell......You fall back in love with it". If it leaves your home/stable, I'm sure someone is going to be very happy with it. Peerless, longer WB, nice paint and presentation. If I was looking for an interesting Speedster that stands out from the crowd, yours would be my choice. Hope it stays with you or finds an appreciative home.
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Surely this is what he told his wife it was worth.....But what a car if it wasn't such a mess.
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21 minutes ago, edinmass said:
Well…….I would guess it’s more than ten percent under low estimate. Apparently no interest in it at that venue. Crazy how one venue is hot, and another isn’t. It’s rare for ANY Stutz to sell below market numbers.
Maybe the venue was it Ed. It checks a lot of boxes for me. If the pre auction estimate was thought to be reasonable by the seller, maybe no one bid above the high 40's, or maybe a deal was made offline after the auction. There are some fairly pedestrian cars selling in that 30-50 range that have don't have the interest or history or lineage that this Stutz has (to me). I guess that is another example of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I would love to play with this car.
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This auction is closed and you can see the final price on most items but this lot still just shows the pre-auction estimates. I’m assuming that means it was a no sale.
Interesting car. I wonder what number the seller needed.
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At Alan’s suggestion I’m relocating this photo to the four cylinder thread. Maybe some feedback and education might be shared by those who are more familiar than me. Is this a pre 38/48 Loco?
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51 minutes ago, alsancle said:
Doesn't that have a wood chassis?
Yes. I believe all were steel in 29, and in 28 shorter WB were still wood and longer WB transitioned to steel.
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Great looking car, and at 137, plenty of length to make sure you don’t miss her when she pulls up in front of the theater or opera (or in my case the coffee shop).
this car makes me think about the critical aspect of color. I suppose we could talk forever about color but it is huge. I agree, lose the red.
I have a strong bias for roadsters over convertible coupes simply because of the rake angle. I realize however, it’s purely based on the visual look as a spectator. I wonder from the driving position behind the wheel if I might actually prefer a convertible coupe over a roadster.
another car I wish a buddy would buy.
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1 hour ago, alsancle said:
Btw, the back of the car needs to come down about 4 inches. That will also make a big difference.
AJ, I remember your commentary about this car a while back. I should probably go reread that thread. I love the car. The small production numbers of it............. I’m just a sucker for that stuff. What is the wheelbase of this car?
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This car has been discussed previously........Waiting for @alsancle AJ to weigh in. I think he had a favorable perspective on the car...
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On 4/25/2024 at 8:31 AM, Tph479 said:
I enjoy reading old manuals. I have one from a REO that talks about how you should drain your fuel and heat it on your stove on a cold winter day. I have to go back and read it, but it probably is under one of those sections of “having your man do”. Such a manly thing to be heating gasoline on a open flame stove-
My modern transportation pod manual has like 30 pages on how to program the clock, and says stuff like do not drink the battery acid.
The “Naive, paternal, politically incorrect “ stuff in the early ads and car literature is always a source of amusement to me.
“So easy to drive even a woman can drive it”..........
somebody with too much time on their hands should write up some ads and service instructions for this year‘s Tesla or Porsche GT but do it in 1913 Prose.
that would make for funny reading.
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6 hours ago, lump said:
Ok, I've got egg on my face...again.
I called the seller again, and he said I must have misunderstood. The price is $2,500. He said he has never seen one sell for less than that on eBay, etc.
At least I can quit thinking and worrying about this one. LOL.
All isn't lost.......Now you are more informed and when you see a good deal on a cool sign, you'll be quick to grab it.
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On 4/27/2024 at 6:31 PM, alsancle said:
Btw, 60k square feet and one bedroom.
While most of us play “checkers”, wealthy people frequently are playing “chess”.
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Thanks AJ, I’ve never been to a tour with this type of early stuff. I need to remedy that. Some really interesting stuff there.
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The radiator surround and grill had me thinking Loco. The hood looks a little short.
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Pre 48/38 Loco???
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Locomobile???
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7 hours ago, jeff_a said:
When I was at the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in 2007, a 1918 was near completion in their restoration bays. The engine was a symphony of polished brass, bronze, and copper. Here's a good shot of the engine compartment, Wayne Shultz narrating:
That is one beautiful engine. That Winton reminds me of the Locomobile Sportif of that era.
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A beautiful car. Budget a little extra time when you take her out. Your going to be having lots of talks with strangers.
Thanks for sharing your interest, research and purchase with us.
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16 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:
Ahh a reminder I best hold my money.
Talking to a guy from TX about shiny Packard door handles and things like wiper towers and related. I owe him something for a carburetor heat shield as well... 🤔😊👍
A worthy reason to hold your fire on memorabilia.
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Although I don’t consider myself a sign expert, I have several, lighted, neon, and porcelain signs. I have a very Close friend who lives across the street from me who is deep into the stuff. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about price and value from hanging around with him.
It looks like someone tried to touch up with paint the glass portion. That’s a shame because it probably would’ve been more valuable left alone even if it was flaking off. However, the Can alone makes it an easy buy at $500. The can is legitimate.
There’s almost nothing at that price point that isn’t reproduction stuff. I have an antique dealer friend that I’ve purchased several Automobile related things from over the years including signs. He knows I’ve been looking for a neon statement piece and called me about 16 weeks ago. Big, legitimate, bullnose with artwork, It’s been sitting outside. Rust, flaking paint, all the neon broken. Very cool but it had no connection to me. It wasn’t auto related, it wasn’t from my hometown, it was actually for a chicken hatchery family business. As rough as it was, he offered it to me at $2500..... but because I had no connection to the piece I took a pass. He gave me the first shot at it before he told anyone else about it. He took it to an auction two weeks later and sold it just like it was for 9,500.
lighted and neon signs are ridiculous. I would encourage you to buy it, even if it was to sell it to one of the Packard guys on here and put a little bit of money in your pocket.
As expensive as these great signs are, there’s a lot to love about them. After the initial pain of writing a big check, you hang it and enjoy it. You don’t have to insure it, license and register it, replace batteries, rebuild generators and starters, chrome, paint, re-core radiators.......
their simplicity pays dividends on into the future after the purchase.
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19 hours ago, ramair said:
Recent experience has taught me that even when you buy a prewar classic that has no fatal flaws you can spend a lot of time and money not only on all the deferred maintenance but trying to find unobtainable steering, brake, suspension and tuneup parts. As some of you have heard me talk about my latest buy, a 1939 Packard twelve, a low mile original rust free car with a older paint job that has held up nice, near perfect chrome, a engine that started instantly, did not leak (by prewar standards), did not overheat, great brakes and a velvet smooth
clutch. I am now approaching 500 hours along with $7,500 in parts and this is without finding any ugly surprises. Could I have spent less time and money, probably, but do I want to take the grandkids out in a 6,000 pound car at 60 mph with brakes that probably have not been apart since the Kennedy administration. The good news is that I still love the car, probably because when it came apart all major systems were not screwed up with a sabotage hack job. Knock on wood the classic car gods have been kind to me, this time!
most of us followed Matt’s Lincoln twelve story which is a reminder that the “Improved Murphys Law” works like this, if there is a 50/50 chance of something going wrong, nine times out ten it will!
I don’t come to this site for reality and sobriety. I come for fantasy and dreams. You’re wrecking me.
that Packard is worth it. Gorgeous.
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1912 Rambler Country Club Touring
in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale
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The "hobby" has entry price points for just about everyone at all levels economically. A beautiful 4 door 60's sedan loved by a family for 60 years.......they are out there for 5K. A late 60's MG that runs and needs some tinkering.......again, 5K.
Dietrich bodied 12cyl Packard coupes? Duesenbergs? Early Ferrari's with race provenance? Very early high horsepower cars like the one in question.................They are a thin slice of the cars available to us in the hobby, and they will be owned by people who aren't shopping for those 5K dollar cars. There is something for everyone.
I love this Rambler.