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I don't check this web site Calendar tab every time I read the Forum, others may not as well: but the Zephyr Eastern meet near Gettysburg is now posted on the Calendar page along with the Central and Western meets. The Eastern Gathering of the Faithful (GOF) will be held at the Best Western in Westminster, Maryland May 2-5, 2013. May want to mark your calender now, and go to the Calendar tab and print out the info on the meet, the hotel, and the Registration Form. The information you can learn by spending a few days BS'ing, at meals/in the flea market/tours/or judging field, with so many helpful guys that have done about everything to their cars, is just amazing and you will make lifetime friends (very similar to all the helpful guys here on the forum! only more of them to talk to, plus you can look-point to the cars and parts as you ask questions!). Paul
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What about the guy in Florida that is making new repro Zephyr plastic rods? Not sure what year he is copying, but maybe you can buy a just a fiberglass trunk lid, instead of a whole $90,000 street rod! Paul
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Have you ever seen this web site for our Zephyr Haudaille shocks? Very nice scans of a 42 page manual. I found it discussed on another forum, but I don't remember seeing it here and it may be helpful to some others. These shocks are more complicated inside than I expected! I understand the company is still in business, but no longer making shocks. Paul (Haudaille shock absorbers- The Old Car Manual Project)
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Many different seal styles. Does this look like your seal? Usually the metal side is out, and you tap on the metal band side of the seal with the proper size socket and hammer to install, and the inward motion of sliding the rubber seal onto the shaft flares the rubber flap away from the oil side -as in photo.
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Good you're fussy here - is very important. The manifold is made of two chambers in one. There is a heat chamber on the underside of the intake manifold, only about 8" wide below the carberator. There are (4) ports about 1/2" diameter (not the 12 ports about 1" dia feeding gas to the cylinders), and they provide heat to warm up the intake gases, and these (4) 1/2" ports often plug up with carbon, and corrode thru to the intake gas vapor chambers side going to all the cylinders. If someone used too much starting fluid, it burns hotter and will melt thru here as well. If this happens, your intake is pretty much a duster. Can't really reach inside to weld it. And if you try to run the engine with a hole corroded thru between the 2 chambers, you will loose vacuum, depending how big the hole is. You probalby want a minimum of 17" vacuum I think-check specs, 18"-20" better. A good way to check for leaks with the intake off, is to turn the intake manifold upside down, and pour water in the 4 ports and see if it stays in the heat chamber's (4) 1/2" ports, or leaks out into the intake gas vapor chamber side. Actually the intake manifold is not really pure aluminum and you can't get a good aluminum weld. If you pick up the manifold, it's heavier than alum, but not really pot metal, it is an old aluminum alloy not used any more. Vets in the club tell me you can weld intake cracks, etc on the manifold if your weld rods are of the same material- if you melt down an old junk manifold and make welding rods of the same material, then you can weld on places you can reach and it will stick and hold up well. But have not heard of anyone ever saving an old manifold with corrosion leaks inside the heat chamber, because you can not reach in or see to repair it. Hope that makes sense-good luck. Paul
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Hi Dave, You may find it interesting to do a FORUM SEARCH for Hot Water Heater. Right under the the heading: V12 LINCOLN AT AACA FORUMS, on the right side of the gray strip in about the center of the page are the FORUM TOOLS and SEARCH FORUM. A click on and search will turn up several threads with photos and info on heaters, including an April 14th, 2007 thread "Zephyr Hot Water Heater w/ Cabin Filter" and a Mar 25, 2007 thread "40 Hot Water Heater". Might help decide if you want to use one of the 3 you bought if they are orig equip for your 1940, or buy the missing pieces for the post water heater you also have. I also included photos of my 40 Zeph Sedan rough hot water heater photos for your reference. Good Luck, Paul
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Dave, May want to look at Resptoration Specialties website too, amazing supply/varieties of window channels, gasketing, groumets, weatherstripping... Much of it is 50's/60's and trucks, but some 40's. Nice because they have dimensions/cross sections of many catalog items so you can see if something else is interchangeable for your needs. Paul
Restoration Specialties and Supply, Inc. 148 Minnow Creek Road, Windber, PA 15963 (814) 467-9842
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On Sept 4-8 I attended my first LZOC Central Chapter meet and had a blast. Have been able to make many Eastern National meets since starting in 1985, always well worth the trips! The contacts you make, the help the guys all give and the photos, auction, flea-market parts, site-seeing just make it so memorable!! And the central chapter was the same. These guys: Jake driving up from TX while in his 80's, Lloyd driving his 39 coupe at 87 MPH when passing 100,000 miles to get the needle out of the way of the digits in the photo and then putting another 31,000 miles on since, Harvey driving in in his spotless gray 41 cab and pulling off all the body bras, tooling around town in the back seat of Chuck's '47 convertible with glass packs, two rare 41 LZ convertibles side by side at one show, picked up trunk/patent tags... it was a blast! Old ones, orig ones, and perfect resto ones.
I am going to make much more of an effort to make as many meets as I can, it really gives you a mental boost to get moving on our own projects when you see how "alive" some of our older members are!! And I was able to get photos of another 40 sedan trunk with the orig wood, carpeting, clips, strap, that I had never seen before complete. If you can, car-pool, split the gas, share a room down the street, beg-borrow-steal and try to make some shows if you have not, may give you a real boost.
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Was able to scramble and fortunate to make the Central Chap LZOC GOF at La Crosse WI early Sept. What a time, great guys, great cars!! One energetic fellow, who incidentally just won one of his 7 races last year driving a dirt track oval car at 79 yrs.!!, could not remember where he got one of the body tags in his treasures (off firewall). If this rare car is still around, the owner might want the tag! Tag read:
BODY NUMBER
86H-737 34
Briggs Co. Detroit Michigan.
Let me see if I got this right- (John M.- Mr Limo feel free to join in and help!!) The 86 was a 1938 Zephyr. The H is left hand steering? The 737 is a limousine (listed in the front of manuals & in Boos-Herrel catalog). And 34 was the 34th limo built in 1938. So if this car survived, and you know someone with a 1938 limo, you might check if they are in desperate need of their original body tag. I'm surprised there were even that many built in 1938. I believe in 38 the limo was not stretched, but a modified sedan body, with divider window. Probably won't find the owner, but I enjoyed researching & finally learning more about our body tags!!
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Here is one more rare beauty, fuzzy but can see the mirror slightly turned up. Paul
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Don't know myself, can only go by what I see. The guys at the parts meet in Lancaster PA this Thur - Sun could answer it. Chads old 40 coupe pointed up and it was pretty orig. It looks like the 40 and 41 brackets always curve up in my show & Hufffman collection photos, but some are mounted to the trim at different angles; some rotated up, some flat, some rotated down.
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Talking to Dr Dave with the beautiful pre-war Cabs, he is very helpful and familiar with this waffle insulation and has discussed with the club editor; some of this I just learned talking today. The factory would pull off about 3 zephyrs every day of about 100 or so and make them into Continentals by hand (trim, polish heads, etc.). The hoods and fenders needed to be stretched the 8" or so, and these extensions in 1940 and about the first 1/3 of 1941 production were hammer-welded on. A lost art now, but did a beautiful job, and covered it up from the bottom for a clean finished with the insulation strip. As the sales continued to do well, Ford tooled up and made the hoods/fenders one piece the last 2/3's of 1941 and thereafter. So it is factory stock in 40 and part of 41 depending on the car#. Explains a lot of the increased sales price for the longer ones!
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May want to check great guy from VA that restored 2 beautiful 40 Cont Coupes (David Roycroft-dir in Lincoln Foundation?). And David Cole (our TWOTZ editor who tracks every Cont made) if ur still interested in more details. Both in membership directory. I was listening to a conversation in Charlotte at Lowes field with both of them talk about the X-frames, aside Mark's (forget his alias-is it fran?) very original stunning blue 40 Cabriolet. Could be wrong, but thought they said the X-Frame design changed in the middle of the model year, I think they said the beefed up frame was on all long wheelbases & convertibles at first, then 1/3 the way thru the model year, the coupes were made on the standard frame and only the Cabriolets got the added strength of the x-bracing (can't remember about the Zeph convert-what do ya say Jeff?). They even knew the exact veh nos where the frame changed from x-brace to no x-brace. (interesting history- Ah, to be a mole in those old Lincoln engineering meetings!). The windows crank position changed mid year as well, so less interference with knee; inside hood insulation line differences, ......wish I had half their memories for all the details they know.
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Great feedback - thanks! So if we see them hanging on the wall next to a barn find or in a box of misc parts, we know they are keepers!
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Always fun to see discussions of new threads from everyone. Have not seen much on Brake Drum Dust Covers. I was always looking for two more for the back drums for a complete set. But John M. put me at ease in Cumberland, MD when he explained they only came on the front. I guess not many survived because usually after the first brake job they got tossed in the trash and never put back on. Wonder if they really served a purpose - possibly more important in the 40's when more gravel, muddy, and dirt roads? To keep stones out or water? Don't know how many years they were standard on our Zephyrs either. Maybe being cautious at the start of hydraulic brake cylinders? Did any other brand car install them also or is this unique to Lincoln? Why not the back, only the front? Kind of an curious item; trying to think back about what they must have been discussing in the old drafting room and design shop- "we gotta put these things on the fronts of the Zephyrs because ........?" PF
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Nice stuff!! Thanks for sharing. Good to see them being driven and enjoyed!
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Do you know if he replaced the throw-out bearing? That is only under load when you have the clutch pedal down and the fork loads this bearing to hold the spinning clutch disk open against the spring pressure. If this bearing is bad, it will make noise under load when the clutch pedal is down. The rest of the time the throw-out bearing is sitting there doing nothing (not loaded/not spinning), so it would be quiet. One thought.
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Sure can! One of these nights I can make a CD from home and get it to you. Here's another one from this year's GOF- trip downtown for dinner, ice cream, tour of church/tunnels....Cumberland town folks gave us a very warm welcome!
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check that. It is actually Chad and Gene. (similar color cars!)
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Chad and Eric enjoying each other's company at this last meet in Cumberland May 24, 2011. A great guy, privileged to know him! We all remember our first show, and all the people in the club that welcomed you in. For me it was 1985, and it was Jack, Pat, Fran, Harold, Jerry, Alan, Earl, Red, Bernie, Bob, John, ..... and of course Chad.
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Not the best photographer with my compact camera, but since no other posts yet, a few shots of this year's gathering. Very nice setting, hotel and staff; lots of space for the cars and trailers. Promised rain all four days, but never got any, so weather was perfect. Lots of cars on poker run, judging, etc. Treated to many nice cars, including John's 1940 Brunn! Many parts for sale, good food, auction, board meeting, John Sweet presented an interesting summary of the Zephyr history. Nice tour of old Cumberland downtown stores, restaurants, old 1850 church with Tiffany stained glass and tunnels underneath used in the Underground (built over 1750 George Washington Fort), great old train station. Great tour of a local Dr's Vette collection. As always, great people in this club, helpful and full of energy regardless of age! Always nice to see the beautiful big Lincolns at the show with us as well.
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Very Nice. Thanks for posting, that's a beaut! Looks like front end really raises up without the weight of the engine.
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That is a project I have coming up too, so this info you supplied will be very helpful - thanks for your time to pass that on. That blue Zephyr in the background of one photo looks familiar, almost same color as mine! Would like to see the rest of it! Paul
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Phil, did you find what you needed to fix the mirror? Just ran across some paperwork of Bob Drake Reproductions: Oregon (800-221-3673) and it made me think of your past thread discussion. Don't know if they have Zephyr or just Ford, but if you only need the glass head, it may not matter. Also, Dennis Carpenter Ford Restoration Parts (704-786-8139) in Concord NC-up the road from Lowes Charlotte track, was very welcoming to the Zephyr Club at the track this past spring for the GOF Meet, and they make the rear view mirrors as well for Ford. Gave us a tour of the factory and they make many many nice quality items, many catalogs available too.
Haudaille Shocks Manual for Zephyrs, Fords. Continentals, Mercurys
in Lincoln & Zephyr
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Just printed out a copy of this shock Sevice Bulletin and noticed page 38 is missing. Jumps from 37 to 39; missing on the web page. fyi, Paul