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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mrpushbutton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the name of the individual selling the late 70's Dodge tradesman custom "party" van? I showed a friend a picture of it (which I got off of someone's page-link from here and now can't find) and he's very interested in the car. Would the AACA car corral organizer have a record of the owners? </div></div>
A great idea would be to post pictures and descriptions of the cars prior to the event. Like I said before, this needs to be promoted. Twenty years from now there will be a car corral, some auctions, a greatly diminished swap and a show with lots of chevettes :-). I want a reason to keep going!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Paul Dobbin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a multiple car owner, I welcome the guy who thinks I have to many cars. If he likes one more than I do, he can buy it. The measure of like is expresssed in dollars.
When I put a high price on it, it mean I like it a lot,
when you put a low offer on it, it means you don't like it as much as I do. If we can agree, we're both happy.
Every time I ask the price of a collector car I make a value judgement that determines ownership.
I like the system and I really like my cars. Now I know that sometime soon I'll see another car that might make
reorganize my likes and dislikes and result in a lower
price on one to make room for the next love of my life.
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This is well put and exactly what I was thinking the other day. The market is a beautiful thing. I always get a kick out of the inevitable "guy with 4 cars is the bad guy" post and it's close cousin the "rich guys are hiding all the cars" post. Both show an admirable lack of understanding for how world works. Decoded what it means is somebody else should work hard and then hand their car(s) over to somebody who doesn't share their work ethic.
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Very cool! One thing you could always count on at the Hershey Show was seeing some stuff you wouldn't see anywhere else. This year it was the milk/delivery trucks which were fabulous. Last year it was the race cars. I hope that sort of thing that can continue year after year. I really hope that "diversity" means stuff like this and not different colors of some particular econo-box made during the oil crunch.
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Where they really giving the full catalog away? I would be shocked by that. RM usually has a reduced form of it that they mail out before the auctions, perhaps it was that one they were giving out at the swap meet?
A full catalog got you admission to the cocktail dinner, but you did have to RSVP in advance (and did not have to be a bidder). I'm surprised you were not let in if you were on the list.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave@Moon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stock_steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alsancle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It will be very interesting to see what the common interest is between the guy with the 32 ford and the guy with the 82 Chevette. </div></div>
How about: "The both like antique cars"...
Or is this a trick question? </div></div>
It's not a trick question. It's a trick answer, one that resides in us who do enjoy comprehensive displays of automotive history.
It's a very different experience going to the Philadelphia Art Museum and going to the Warhol Museum, one is diverse in it's display and the other is highly focused. The perspective that diversity provides to both the participant and the spectator is priceless. Also the diversity of exposure provides avenues of discovery that some treasure, and others (in their own mind) have outgrown. If one is so averse to new experience, perhaps Hershey isn't for you.
It's sad that so many in the pre-war community proclaim such aversion with pride. It's encouraging and hopeful that so few (if any) of the newer antique afficienados do the same. I know which camp will provide growth in both the overall hobby interest and in the pre-war cars as well as time takes it's toll on all of us, and it isn't the camp of intolerance.
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Alsuncle, there most certainly <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span></span> a common interest among '32 Fords and Chevettes, and among Duryeas, Duesenbergs, and Whizzers as well. I hope you find it someday like most of us have.
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You know, I noticed that the Chevette owners seemed much more open minded, tolerant and diverse then those elistist, closed minded and "experience averse" old car owners. Not only that, I think that some of those early car guys are *gasp* Republicans !!! :-)
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Any singles you see floating about are paid for by the vendor in that spot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hwellens</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe the reason the older people complain about the newer cars is because AACA keeps changing their policy. It was 1929 and older back in the 60's; then they said they one allow one model year every 2 years, but, definitely stop at 1940.
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The "older people complain" is misconception. I just turned 43. I was in high school in the early 80s and my friends and I thought that the new cars at the time were complete POS. Everybody was in to the 60s stuff.
Successful clubs work over the long haul because all the members share a common interest that bind them. It will be very interesting to see what the common interest is between the guy with the 32 ford and the guy with the 82 Chevette.
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That was a sweet car. There is a long thread in the CCCA forum on this car:
http://forums.aaca.org/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/330304/fpart/1
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I liked the layout. I personally think the car corral is a critical feature to the overall event and should be promoted and nourished. While the swap meet seems to be gradually diminishing, the car corral gets stronger (with the exception of the mud fest last year).
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I think the only reason the Giant stadium has been open the last few years is because of the auction. Somebody can correct me but if the Auction is not going the center is not open.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve Moskowitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure if your answer was tongue in cheek but if not..the prices for the brass era stuff were for the most part were way over the estimates! Not just the Limited!
We are starting to see a resurgence of brass cars in AACA and certainly brass car prices have never been stronger. Interest waining? Not from what we have seen! Naturally, we still have a challenge in getting cars to show versus tours but we are working on them both.
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The sarcasm was directed as this notion (by more than one poster) that the old stuff was all wasting away in storage. Gradually losing it's popularity (except to be rodded, of course) as the 100 year old owners kicked the bucket. All pre-1960 automobiles are currently bringing record prices. You'll note from the auction prices that pre-1910 cars are bringing obscene money:
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt M, PA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Old cars have also all but gone from local shows too, and I know it's due to the reasons stated above
I have been saying for years that as people age and can no longer do the shows, pass away, etc...the interest in that era of vehicle wains.
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Yep, there's no interest an any of that old junk. They were practically giving it away over at the Lodge during the RM auction. I'll help you to understand what's really going on. Everybody with the pre-war stuff now goes to other shows and is active in other clubs. There are 10 times more concours events now then 20 years ago. Those events have somewhere near zero post-72 cars at them. That's fine, the AACA will fill the needs of the 84 k-Car wagon collector.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave@Moon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And (worst of all) the early car's loss. So many people who could've been otherwise exposed to them before they their owners pass on. Oh well! It'll keep the street rodders happy.
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The rodders go after the old stuff because they have taste.
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The supermarket crack was incendiary and not what I was trying to say so I deleted it. I think what I'm trying to say is that it might not be bad idea to stop the 25 year window now and make 1982 the cut-off. It's impossible to be everything to everybody.
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Every car is special to it's owner - that's not my point. Also, I can appreciate any car if it is nice enough so don't paint me as a car snob. The point I'm making is that you can't have a club open to literally every car without side effects. One of those side effects is that lots (and LOTS) of people with nice teens, 20s,30s,40s, etc cars will not bring them to Hershey. There were lots of cool cars at the show and I think there would have been a lot more if there were some reasonable limits on what gets in.
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Well into the late 60s there were still a bunch of ACD parts mixed in with the Graham stuff. I can remember going with my dad around 1970 and finding 6 NOS Duesenberg master cylinders. I'm not sure how the ACD stuff got mixed in but there was a lot of it there early on.
I understand that all of this is going up for Auction. Does anybody know any details?
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I couldn't do the dinner as I had a conflict - I did make it over to the meeting - then boogied back to the Lodge for the RM Auction. The DV32 LeBaron doubled in price from a few years ago. 300 to 600k.
A.J.
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The flea market is slowing dying. There are many factors that are causing it - the internet being the major one - but also the slow drying up of parts. I agree with your points that the quality of vendors has really gone down hill the last 5 to 10 years. Good parts of the chocolate field resemble a parking lot for RVs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
1. Parking cars close together (long rant)
I showed cars in more than a dozen shows this summer between Gilmores and Larz Andersons and only one time, this last weekend, did I have to park so close the doors could bang on the car next to you. (even Macungie was acceptable this year) I understand its a long tradition and a part of Hershey that cars are so close that a judge can not do an interior inspection without someone holding the door and that spectators can not pass between cars and that there is no room for a wheel chair to pass between cars, and you only have so much room for cars, and "I need to pack them in to have room for everyone comming", blah blah blah... Its a tradition Hershey should do away with. All I'm asking for is 42 inches between cars or increase from an eight foot wide space to a ten feet wide. I saw plenty of open space around the show to make up that 25%.
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It's been this way for as long as I can remember. Most friends I have refuse to bring cars to this show for that reason. However, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of others willing to bring cars. To label Saturday a "fiasco" would be generous.
As for the golf carts, it was always my perception that having one had more to do with who you knew then any disability.
A.J.
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I found my newsletter. 3:00 pm at the CCCA tent in the Choclate field on Friday.
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I lost my newsletter. Does anyone know where and when the club is meeting at Hershey. I was told 3:00 pm on Friday at the CCCA tent and wanted to confirm that.
thanks!
A.J.
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Many of shots on grass were taken at last year's Meadowbrook show.
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Thanks!
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Hey Guys,
Can anyone identify this NOS transmission (See Picture)? It is a 3 speed overdrive that my dad bought from J.C. Whitney 45 years ago or so to use in in 1940 super 8.
The numbers on it are R11-41B, WG DIV, K7-9,SB, 412294.
thanks! A.J.
Treasure trove of Graham and Graham-Paige Parts in Indiana
in Graham & Paige
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I read in the club newsletter that there was going to be an auction of all this stuff. I recall earlier in the year an ad in Hemmings or somewhere else that the stuff was for sale for 1.5 million. I have not be able to locate any info on the auction.