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3 hours ago, 8E45E said:
18" of metal filler, and then the shroud:
At least FORD products put the distributor in the front of the engine.
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9 hours ago, alsancle said:
The GTO 64-67 was a shorter hood longer rear deck design that worked (at least for me in HS). They went to the long hood short trunk in 68.
You would think the 64-65 would be a better-balanced driving car than the 68+ design but it's not.
Open the hood on a 64 Tempest/ LeMans/GTO and the engine pops right out at you, my 69 is a different story, engine sits way back and lower in the chassis (that's why I change spark plugs through the inner fender wells- a must with A/C cars. The 64-65 car has the engine sitting almost halfway over the centerline between the front spindles, on the 68+ cars, the front of the cylinder head is almost even with the centerline and is lower, also, the front track is widened from 58" front and rear to 61" front and 60" rear on 68+ coupe cars. And the biggest news for handling is the 64-67 wheelbase of 115" was reduced to 112" on the two door cars. FYI the 1969 Grand Prix's "G" body's engine sits even further back than the 68+ "A" body. That's why you are seeing such a distance in front of the engine-but it makes the car handle better.
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3 hours ago, Barney Eaton said:
I don't think they have a issue..........internal combustion engines are going away and all vehicles (including race cars?) will be electric
and they will have nothing to complain about.
Nope, Next, they will complain about traffic, and with that rise in traffic injuries and death. environmental impact other than cars like noise and stress levels going up.
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4 hours ago, EmTee said:
I suspect at least part of the reason is related to the fact that the more powerful cars had more cylinders and with the most common in-line architecture, that translated to a longer hood.
That's why a 49-52 Chevrolet "A" body has a 115" wheelbase, a 49-1951 1/2 Olds 76-88-"A" body have a 119.5 wheelbase, and a 49-52-"A" Pontiac straight eight/ six have a 120" wheelbase. All those "A" bodies are the same distance from the firewall back.
What length increase would it be between a six and a V-12, Or a straight eight and a V-16?? not much if any.
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1 hour ago, Lee H said:
I wonder if Edsel Ford knew what he was creating?
No doubt and was the infusion to the Ford company and its relative spinoffs that was really needed. He died far too young.
Love this shot,
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4 hours ago, TAKerry said:
I believe the thinking was Euro touring car styling. Long in the front short in the back. Same formula that produced the second gen f body.
First F body first.
how about a 30's V-16 Cadillac
Or a 1951 Ferrari
Oh Goodness if the trunk on this one got any shorter there wouldn't be a trunk!
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Pontiac's GM Pete Estes had been promoted to GM of Chevrolet, just like Pontiac's Bunkie Knudsen in the fall of 61. Delorean was now in charge of Pontiac. The Grand Prix was not a sporty car or personal luxury coupe any longer and DeLorean needed to bring it back to it's roots. 1968 "A" bodies were split between a 112" coupe/hardtop and 116" wheelbase 4 door hardtop and 4 door sedan. Bill Mitchell G.M. Styling boss who was an advocate of short rear deck long hoods (67 Eldo, 66 Toronado etc.) helped shape it. Pontiac/Delorean did not have enough money to develop solely for Pontiac so he went to his old boss, Pete Estes now at Chevrolet to see if Chevrolet would be interested in its own version of the Grand Prix, Monte Carlo. With one-year exclusivity for Pontiac. So, 1969 for Pontiac and 1970 for Monte Carlo.
If it hadn't been for DeLorean or Estes, none of this would have happened.
FYI, when in 1963 Delorean went to his boss (Estes) (GM) at Pontiac to pledge for the LeMans/GTO, it was Estes who gave the OK and circumvented the corporation's new "A" body rules. Estes put his career on the line for that OK. Estes would later become president of General Motors.
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On 1/19/2024 at 11:09 AM, Rusty_OToole said:
When I was in high school I drove a 36HP 1962 VW beetle. It had a top speed of 72MPH and got 36 miles per gallon. In 1980 my father bought a new Pontiac Parisienne Brougham with red velvet upholstery, air conditioning, power steering, power brakes, power windows and a 350 cu in Diesel V8. It got 36 miles per gallon, same as the VW. I always thought this was an interesting comparison, and an example of what can be accomplished if there is a demand for it. At the time there was a demand for better fuel economy and diesel engines looked like the answer.
Rusty, I used to get 42mpg out of my 1965 1200"A" 36hp (former standard model) before ethanol free was mandated. Top speed for the redesigned 40hp for 1961 was 72mpg. The 40hp engine was introduced for the 1961 model year in the deluxe. VW Germany only imported the deluxe models. Top speed for the 36hp beetle was 68mph, that also includes my 65 1200"A".
The 1938 Beetle mileage requirement by the German government was 32mpg which the VW passed with flying colors.
FYI, the new 40hp 1200 for 1961 has larger valves and intake manifold, also the final drive in the transaxle has higher gearing for a top speed greater than 36hp cars. 40hp=4.375 to one rear axle final drive vs. 36hp at 4.43 to one.
To do 72mpg your car must have had a 40hp engine.
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Buyers do know these days of what area they are buying into. For example, you buy into an area that has an airport designated General Aviation. The city, after decades gone by want to expand and the airport, is rezoned commercial aviation with lots of money pouring in. Just try to fight that.
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On 1/10/2024 at 4:59 PM, Bills Auto Works said:
Very Sad News!
I was at !-64 Motorplex for Lloyd-Fest 2023 back in October. Neat little 1/8 mile track. Sorry to see that it has been shut down for good. Sad that the land value has surpassed the draw of my fellow racers, but the folks that owned it (All Family owned) supported our hobby for decades & sent out a heartfelt message to all involved thanking all those that supported the track & them over the years!
As for racing on the streets....Never bothered me what so ever!
God Bless
Bill
"As for racing on the streets....Never bothered me what so ever!"
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That was because for the average guy, you could make more money on the street.
I got my drag racing license at LYONS Dragstrip when I was 14. The other day I was surfing the channels on Direct TV and found an old Adam 12 episode, it was about drag racing on the street and strip. L.A. P.D. was promoting a local drag strip for kids to get racing off the street. The strip just happened to be Lyons. A successful episode in the end. Problem was, Lyons closed down not long after the shoot!
FYI, I was in the pit side of the stands when this happened.
Garlits horrible accident Lions Drag Strip incredible 1970 wreck
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21 hours ago, rocketraider said:
The early-60s GM Y-body cars. F85, Tempest, Special, and Corvair. Each had its own radically advanced for the time engineering.
Also the Oldsmobile Toronado, for proving front wheel drive could be successfully adapted to a full-size high horsepower car.
I would put Corvette in there. Also, VW Beetle.
Glenn, If I hadn't been so stubborn and prejudiced, today that list of yours might have been my collection today.
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Perry Mason is another great car spotter TV show especially the early years.
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The 153, I-4 is the 3rd generation Chevy six with two cylinders lopped off. First appeared in the 1st generation NOVA and 2nd Gen briefly. A great little engine also used in industrial applications and tractors. At one time I was interested in an early NOVA with one.
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Here is the 1932 Porsche/NSU
> father and son
A working model below. Porsche needed bodies produced to certify for the German labor front, but because it was only a design firm and the factory had not been built, Hitler made Mercedes build bodies for testing.1938. These cars are known as VW30 and 30 cars were produced. Tested by the SS to certify the design, were driven on the finished portions of the Autobahn and into the German alps.
<in front of Porsches house 
1938 below and the final models and shape. The sedan, sunroof, and convertible.
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1. here we have the Packard 6-12 1932-39. The valves are in the block, yet they are located over the pistons.
Here we have Oldsmobile's companion car Viking's V-8. Valves are also over the pistons.
Here we have the 31-32 Oakland/Pontiac V-8, valves are over the pistons as well as combustion chambers.
notice valves over the pistons. The block and head mating is on 2 planes.
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On 11/23/2023 at 6:53 AM, joe_padavano said:
And why do you think anyone would know more than the factory engineers who specified that clearance? In any case, clearance depends on the block material, the piston material (iron, cast aluminum, or forged aluminum), and the intended operating conditions.
Exactly! I did a re-rebuild on a friends 37 Ford woody, a V-8 60. The first rebuilder installed aluminum pistons and clearanced them for the factory spec. steel slugs. Every time the car warmed up it wouldn't restart and had to completely cool down again. Had to .060 it to bring it back. Very lucky. I did that engine in 1979, it's still running good after all those years.
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4 hours ago, Buffalowed Bill said:
With the rest of the industrialized world on a fast track for EV, I say thank god for Tesla that brought us the technology capable of competing with IC, and for the govt's stimulus, early on, which made the high initial costs somewhat more affordable. I'm afraid that we in North America would have been too comfortable sucking every last drop of inexpensive black juice out of the ground, while the rest of the world had chosen a different route. Leaving us woefully behind the EU and China.
I don't see anyone taking my car keys away from me in the near future. The choices that we make today are not because of any punitive govt. policy. All the choices that were available to us twenty years ago are still on the table today. The advances in EV technology over the last decade plus just give us more options then we once had.
{ I don't see anyone taking my car keys away from me in the near future. The choices that we make today are not because of any punitive govt. policy. All the choices that were available to us twenty years ago are still on the table today. The advances in EV technology over the last decade plus just give us more options then we once had}
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I respectfully disagree.
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1 hour ago, arcticbuicks said:
yeah .....we are not free to use asbestos as we please or aerosol spray or r12 freon and lead paint kids toys and kill weeds with pcb's etc ..........as we please
And yet the aviation industry continues to use 100LL.
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14 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
There is no doubt in my mind E.V.'s will be a big part of the future. Governments at all levels are plowing so much tax payer cash into it how could it possibly fail ?
So much for what our country is supposed to be all about. Freedom and free enterprise.
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10 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
Where else were you planning to buy a battery from other than the Vehicle dealer ? I really don't think the local parts store is going to be able to help on this one. Most of these batterys tend to be very make and model specific, unlike motor oil, fan belts or spark plugs.
Your local parts store might be able to sell the battery packs to independent repair shops. The batteries won't be stocked like normal inventory as there are too many different applications, but I doubt they will sell to an individual as certification will be the rule.
I retired from a major auto manufacturer in 2006, ten years before that, we in engineering became familiar with EV's. We had Hyper Mini's, SUV's and Vans (the government forced us to come up with and create the vehicles). I myself have changed a couple of these battery packs which are not hard to do if they are designed properly for removal. You need a proper battery pack lift jacking tray as the whole thing goes up as a unit, and of course a car lift as well. Looking at my four poster lifts I have at home; I don't think they are wide enough to accommodate the jacking tray and its lift. The jacking tray is a large 4-wheel heavy unit. R&R is 3-4 hrs.
<3-4 hrs. R&R
->when I took these to the beach, they became a chick magnet
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2 minutes ago, Leif in Calif said:
I doubt many modern cars are going to be on the road when they are 50 years old, there are too many circuits, no matter whether it's gas or electric.
I just looked at my local Craigslist and there were 220 Teslas for sale and about a third of them were over 100,000 miles. I sure they are not there yet, but don't think EVs are going to be much different than IC cars in ultimate longevity, but they will be much cheaper to operate.
Count the number of IC cars on the road today. There will never be enough EV's to replace them because there aren't the resources to do it, plus environmental concerns and this is a known fact. That was addressed at Davos this past summer, but as Schwab said, EV's were never intended to replace them.
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7 minutes ago, Leif in Calif said:
I think these stories are "click bate". Not to say that a dealer wouldn't quote something like that. There was a story a year ago about a similar charge that was actually paid to replace the battery in a Chevy Volt. In general battery replacement costs are similar but a little higher than an engine rebuild...which basically means by the time you need it, the car won't be worth enough to justify it. Also, I have heard of clever people replacing cells, not the whole battery. There is an ongoing education process around EVs and some are ahead of others....
I do want one but I think we are in the "pre-Model T" time period on EVs just now.
My 1976 Oldsmobile has never had a rebuilt engine, heck, the carburetor has never been off the engine! It still has it's complete exhaust including it's Cat. 47 years and 116,000+ miles. Tell me how that adds up??
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37 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
Just a few days ago there was a news story that caught my attention. A man in Ontario Canada with a 2017 Hyundai Ionic E.V. { small crossover type vehicle } needed a new battery. Just barely past the 160,000 K.M. warranty. { 100,000 miles }
Taken to the local dealer for repairs. The battery replacement quote will knock your socks off, just slightly over $50,000 Canadian. Approx. $36,500 U.S.D. And this is for a 6 year old vehicle with only about 100,000 miles. I sure hope vintage- ish cars keep serving my needs for a long time !
The poor gentleman has learned the hard way that this scheme is all about getting you out of your car, any car, period. 😉
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2 hours ago, CChinn said:
When working in the garage, I listen to the 60s and 70s channels on SiriusXM. Also listen to these channels when driving my DD and 40 Chevy and 53 Packard. A portable Bluetooth speaker linked to my iPhone allows me to keep the original old car radios intact
A challenge for you. For example, if you listen to 60's on SirusXM take a note of all the songs they play. Take the top 20 billboard songs of 1960. You will find that these stations only play and repeatedly play the same songs over and over and only play less than 40% of the top hits of 1960. When someone says they listen to 60's music on those formats what they are saying is they are missing 60% of the songs we really listened to. Funny thing is their selections are not indicative of where the songs were rated in the ratings of the time.
If you think that's bad, the 50's are even worse. Try listening for a top tenner form 1950-1954. These stations seem to think the fifties music started in 1955.
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how about a 30's V-16 Cadillac
> father and son
<in front of Porsches house 
notice valves over the pistons. The block and head mating is on 2 planes.
<3-4 hrs. R&R
Laguna Seca Sued by Rich Neighbors for Being a Race Track
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The first time I remember of something like the topic happened to my community somewhere in 1968-69. Boeing was set to release the new 747. I lived in a place called Westchester I was on the very north end with Santa Monica Mountain and city, ocean views. It was a sort of municipality of the city of Los Angeles, Like San Pedro, Hollywood, Venice etc. LAX was also part of that L.A. city area. The airport wanted to expand for the new big jet. The North runway started up either buying out homes and businesses and schools in the incoming flightpath, no referendum from the city to the folks. They soon figured out that noise from takeoff would affect another L.A. municipality called Playa del Rey, so they tried to buy out these million-dollar ocean view homes. After the buyouts stopped and no one else would sell the city stepped in and condemned the rest.
Next was Lyons drag strip 1974? Housing crept closer and closer, the complaints grew, and it was gone before you knew it.
City of L.A., LAX, lots of power and money get their way.
City of Wilmington Part of the city of Los Angeles, and Carson, part of the County of Los Angeles get their way and Lyons is a container lot for the port of Los Angeles. FYI, the same thing happened in the 90's to Terminal Island drag strip- now a port container lot.
It's the money.