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1 hour ago, alsancle said:
It is a 20HP, but the boiler is 30HP and the burner is slotted. We typically don't run out of steam when the burner is operating correctly.
Brent Campbell told me that in his experience it's the boiler (and burner) size that impact the driving. He said there's no difference in feel between a 20hp or 30hp engine, except the 30hp does better if you're going slow when the steam pressure is low - the bigger pistons provide more mechanical advantage,
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It wouldn't be appropriate for me to paraphrase someone's court case. In fact I haven't seen the details of the one that was just settled - the documents are available behind a paywall on the previously-cited web page.
There are details on a federal case that preceded this one, in a document publicly available on this US government web page -
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCOURTS-med-2_20-cv-00115/context
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Must have felt like a long stretch of no shoulder for some of the smaller cars. The Stanley could probably have been passing the regular traffic. Did you hear what size engine it has? I'm sure the boiler is pretty honkin' big.
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As a matter of public record. the most recent federal case involving Benson's estate reached an initial settlement state about 7 weeks ago.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/40848010/Williams_v_Dragone_Classic_Motorcars_Inc
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This one, and the pale green one, both built in England, are the only ones with right-hand drive. For some unknown reason, at a time when manufactured cars in the US, including Stanleys, were made with RHD, and all of the other racers in the 1906 Vanderbilt had RHD, the Stanleys built their racers with LHD.
Sorry for the thread hijack - these Vanderbilt cars are very cool!!
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The one at Audrain today was built in PA. There are at least 10 of these - here are the other 9 I know of. It all started with Carl Amsley building a pair of red ones in the '80s. The black one was next.
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I reviewed the Nov. 11, 2020 Facebook post before my previous posting. Some time between 4:00 and now, the post was apparently erased by someone - it is now not visible on Facebook. If anyone has the 2014 photo that was in that post I'd appreciate a PM.
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The black Stanley Vanderbilt Cup racer reproduction was built by Robert Boudeman, and owned and driven by Coburn Benson up until his passing. "Ben" also owned the remains of the sister car to Old 16. When I bought my steamer from Ben in 2007, he talked to me about the Locomobile and the work he was having done. A Nov. 11, 2020 post in this Facebook group - (20+) Stanley Steamer Automobile | Facebook - talks about Benson and the sister car, and includes a 2014 photo of it partially completed.
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December 1916 article on White's announcement of the newly-designed 16-valve 4 for the 1917 season.
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A few 1918 Cadillac dashboards.
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1954, 1957, 1961, and 1968 club rosters have 1920 Mercer serial 16890 engine 6267 owned by Murchios. Grace Brigham's serial number book puts 16890 early in 1922. Here's a picture of Murchio on the 1955 Glidden, held in Canada - matches Bob's color snapshot of the Oexle car in blue & white. It looks like the fender mirrors were on the car as Murchio found it.
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You already got most of my thoughts. Of the approximately dozen SVs left, I'd say this is one of the two nicest. If you want unusual, you'd have it, particularly any time you were in a gathering of Stanleys. I don't know how this car performs, I imagine it's been set up as well as it possibly could be. I suspect the same $95K would yield more steam car driving exhilaration if you bought a noncondenser closer to home.
Kelly
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On 2/17/2022 at 3:55 PM, George K said:
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I was told at the time of Harrahs passing he and Finn were involved in litigation about cars. I don’t know if was the Alco or a Maserati.
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The car is Alco parts but with an engine over the ci limits to race. It matches a Alco truck ci.
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According to someone who was associated with Harrah's at the time, the only time Harrah ever filed a lawsuit against a seller for misrepresentation was over the Alco. Harrah's death ended that proceeding.
Berliet also made boat engines. I have thus far been unable to find a photo of a truck or boat engine to compare with what's in the Finn car, but there is at least one period image of the Alco car engine that it can be compared to.
By the way, one of my most unforgettable old car experiences is watching and hearing Joel Finn pound up the airport road in this car at Hershey in 1972. I had a wonderful opportunity to take a ride in it last summer around Roslyn - it had to pretty much idle most of the time, on the slow city streets. What a neat machine - it must be a spectacular ride when given its legs.
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Here are some period items relating to the car that Harry Grant raced. 1909 & 1910 Vanderbilt car engine specs, an undated company ad in Cosmopolitan reiterating that Grant used the same stock chassis in both races, and a 1910 picture of the Alco six. The article accompanying that picture says that the changes in the 6-cylinder engine from 1909 to 1910 were the cam profile and conversion to roller tappets.
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The White steam generator isn't really a pressure "vessel." It's basically a long continuous tube. No pressure vessel inspection would be needed. There are enough Whites around that there are people who make these generators if needed.
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Here's some more dated trade publications on the introduction of the 16-valve engine, being White's first unit power plant, unrelated to previous engines. This must have been close to the peak of engineering development for the T-head architecture.
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8 hours ago, mike6024 said:
It's disappointing to have to say it, but I've done considerable research at the HCFI and have found numerous errors in their dating of their own material. This 4-page document itself contains no date. However, it uses text similar to the White Company's broadly-published advertisement of early 1917, including the exact duplication of the sentence "Two years ago the White Company announced its determination to adhere to the 4-cylinder motor in its passenger car product." We can safely declare that this document was produced at about the same time as the attached Literary Digest ad.
With very few exceptions, the only valid proof for provenance research is period material that is dated. Below are two more dated items related to the introduction of the 16 Valve 4 engine to the market.
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The Missouri dealer's web page for this car, with the McCormick story, is still online. The description says "With incredible provenance..." Maybe there should be an unwritten rule that says "incredible provenance" usually means "non-credible provenance." This is a good reminder that you must always do your own homework on any claim of an unusual feature in a car's history, if the feature is considered part of the car's value.
Thanks, 27stutz, for making truth available. You've made one small corner of the old-car selling world a little better.
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This is a fabulous car, restored in the 1960s as part of the almost legendary Deemer-Seeley project. This photo came from a 2012 piece in Hemmings -
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/proud-to-be-an-american-1907-american-underslung-roadster
It was still wearing that restoration, and owned at the time by Van Horneff. It has since been re-restored, and I think it looks even better now. I don't know who owns it, but here it was at its most recent auction, last year -
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I've been very pleased with the work I've had done on my 1913 Paige by a shop in southeastern PA. If that's good for you geographically, PM me.
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A neat photo of a Scout and a Tourist. I wish the Archive would post in in higher resolution. Here's some reporting on that show.
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1913 Type 56A Traveler - the wheelbase itself is over 11 feet long. We're fortunate that this fabulous car has survived.
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This is a 1913 Type 22A Scout. Type 22B of the same year would have electric headlights.
Thanks for the tip! I added it to the web page -
AU Period Images - 1913 Type 22A Scout (stanleyregister.net)
At this point, the site has over 200 period images of American Underslungs - thanks to everyone for your help so far!
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The picture in the snowy ditch was used in an advertisement in Motor World for Jan. 26, 1911.
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Vanderbilt Cup 1908 winner Old 16 information
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The document is pretty clear.