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France, maybe mid 1920s. The van chassis and front panels look American, but I have no idea what it is.

 

 

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Another one from Whangarei, New Zealand. Dated as 'circa 1920' but I think that might be an early 1920s Willys-Knight behind the pony trap.

 

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

Very easy to identify!

 

 

 

An example in New Zealand, restored in the 1970s.

 

The restored car as it was in the early 1950s.

[Unknown Hudson. Model '46-'47?]

1947, fairly late in the run. The last number was 17495088 according to my book of serial numbers.

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Ho information with this one. Does that say DEERE on the front?

 

 

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14 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:

Photo was likely flipped at some point. Buick automobiles that era (as with most American cars that era) were mostly right side driven. There were some cars that offered left side driven, but before 1910, they were mostly the exceptions.

Most American manufacturers were switching to left side driven by 1914, however a few stuck with right side driven until after 1920. 

Also, windshields were optional on most cars prior to about 1908, and many cars for even several years thereafter.

Funny I had a quick look at this one, saw Varun had worked it out then forgot it. Didn't even look at the wheel. 🙄😀

 

 

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I hope that is not chrome on the radiator shell. Ten plus years too early. The car looks to have had a 'cosmetic' restoration.

[Mercer fuel tank]

Contact David at - Contact | The Old Motor

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11 hours ago, 8E45E said:

Could have been assembled by a local coachbuilder, maybe pre-GM Holden.

 

Craig

I think our Hudsons arrived fully assembled, though some were modified into service cars.

 

The only Holden body stuff to come to NZ are private imports brought in used, like my 1934 Buick that arrived in 1946.

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Another one from Whangarei, New Zealand. The triangle badge on the car suggests maybe Hudson but nothing else seems to match.

 

 

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9 hours ago, MetroPetro said:

Why....? 😁

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Whangarei, New Zealand, maybe circa 1910. Any thoughts what the cars might be?

 

 

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On 9/1/2023 at 9:04 PM, MetroPetro said:

1905-06 National.

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6 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Name me one Datsun/Nissan model in the 70's-80's-90's that was a pillarless four door in U.S.A.. 

So the US missed out on some smart-looking hardtop sedans.

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6 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Name me one Datsun/Nissan model in the 70's-80's-90's that was a pillarless four door in U.S.A.. 

Of course the car built most as a four door hardtop was the Laurel - up to 1992. - Nissan Laurel - Wikipedia

 

 

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6 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Name me one Datsun/Nissan model in the 70's-80's-90's that was a pillarless four door in U.S.A.. 

A couple of JDM P910s from 1983 and 1985 - 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Name me one Datsun/Nissan model in the 70's-80's-90's that was a pillarless four door in U.S.A.. 

OI really have no concern about the US market, only about whether Nissan actually built four door hardtops.

 

This JDM U11 Bluebird SSS with the CA18 engine is just one. It was saved because of its rarity.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, 8E45E said:

The mid-1980's Nissan Multi/Stanza minivan does not have a B-pillar, and may be the last such vehicle to qualify.  

 

"Pillarless" was/is a postwar term used for hardtop vehicles where the front and rear windows lower, without a B-pillar above the belt line.  When both windows are lowered, one can continuously run their hand from the A-pillar to the C-pillar along the top of the door(s) with no obstructions.   I believe the Hillman Californian was the first production hardtop/pillarless coupe from the U.K.

 

Craig

 

 

I am quite familiar with 'pillarless' having owned a 1965 Pontiac Bonneville four door pillarless for nearly 50 years.

 

The Japanese did a few pillarless four doors, mainly Nissan in the 1980s and '90s. There were several Toyota four door models that look pillarless but actually have frameless windows and a discreet pillar.

 

Toyota did do some pillarless two doors for a few years. I have owned this 1980 Toyota Crown hardtop for many years. My son used it one day a few years ago to retrieve an earlier model Crown pillarless hardtop parts car. It looks a mess, but all of its shiny bits were there and have since proven useful to couple of restorations. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, 8E45E said:

Body nomenclature becomes even further muddied when one analyzes terms used across the pond.  What we call a 'business coupe' is often called a "Doctor's coupe" in the UK.  And in England, people drive 'saloons', not 'sedans' and if they have a large family, they might prefer an 'estate' or 'station wagon'.  If the like the sun, a 'drophead' is the car of choice for them.  Interesting enough, the U.K. did make a number of 'pillarless coupes', but none ever made a 'pillarless saloon', even though the Rover and Triumph made a few prototypes.   

 

Craig

The British don't appear to have made a pillarless sedan in the US sense as we know it but pre-WW2 there were a few proper pillarless saloons, with no pillar between front and rear doors. 

 

One was the Singer Airstream in 1934-35. Apparently only about 100 were built and one of the few survivors is here in NZ. Unfortunately I have not found a photo of one with its doors open.

 

 

 

Another maker of pillarless four doors was Lancia with its Ardea.

 

 

 

No doubt there are other examples.

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On 8/30/2023 at 12:29 PM, keiser31 said:

More like about a 1910 Overland with the pail fill radiator. NOT a Willys Six.

The Standard Catalog says there was a six-cylinder Model 34 Overland in 1909 only.

 

From the brochure - Directory Index: Willys Overland/1909 Willys-Overland/album (oldcarbrochures.com)

 

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13 hours ago, alsancle said:

Hubcaps suggest Oldsmobile?

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5 hours ago, CHuDWah said:

 

So 0.6% of total - that's pretty rare.  Any stats on Business (non-rumble-seat) Coupes?  Be interesting to see percentages of both coupes relative to each other and to total.

Master Deluxe HA coupe - 36,106.

Master HB coupe - 39,793.

 

It would appear that the rarest versions were the, presumably flatback, four door sedans, HB 522, HA 236. 

 

I can only quote what is in The Standard Catalog.

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1938 Chevrolet total model year production 470,766. 

 

Of that number 2,790 were Master Deluxe Sport Coupes.

 

 

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Ford T town car in California. The photo date is supposedly 1925 but the car is wearing a 1916 plate with a 1917 validation tag - Vehicle registration plates of California - Wikipedia

 

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19 hours ago, wayne sheldon said:

nz, Most United States automobile manufacturers brought out the next years model somewhere around September or October most years. In the beginning, part of that was trying to beat the winter months and make sales on the idea of having the new model before springtime. Due to the seasons and the condition of most roads here during winter, many people put their cars to bed for the duration. The idea was that when springtime arrived, one could awaken the car and be seen from the start in a shiny new model! A few manufacturers, including Studebaker, had a habit of sometimes bringing models out even earlier. Studebaker for many years made running changes during production rather than waiting for the model year change to bring them out all at once.

 

In addition to that, 1915 was a difficult year with the war starting in Europe. Although the USA was not immediately in the war, automobile manufacturers were being hit with material shortages. They also feared the USA may enter the war sooner rather than later, and that all automobile production might be stopped. For that reason, they were trying to make as many sales as they could before the unknown happened. So a lot of manufacturers including Reo and Hudson also brought out 1916 models extra early.

As it turned out, domestic production did continue, however, there were some cutbacks on production imposed. And most automobile manufacturers did quite well with wartime production before and during the USA's official involvement. At least until the postwar recession hit about 1921, which killed most small producers of automobiles.

The Standard Catalog tells me that Buick in the later teens introduced its new models in August and Dodge in July, I believe to catch the summer agricultural shows.

 

My 1965 Pontiac is serial number 821 (body number 143) off the California line and was built the first week of September 1964. Block and heads cast late July/early August. Just when the model was actually introduced I don't know. I have no record of its original sale date. At least in that era there is no doubt about the model year of the car as it is stamped/marked everywhere.

 

With my 1929 Studebaker the factory decreed that the third series GE models were to be 'regarded' as 1929 models even though they were all built in 1928.