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Obviously the person replying didn't see that you wrote 1960. However he is actually wrong about the 1961 Saratogas not being produced. They were continued as production cars in Canada through 1964. Canada did not get Newports until 1967. We carried on with the Windsor and Saratoga models in Canada after they were dropped in the USA in 1961 ( saratoga ) and 1962 ( windsor ).

What would you like to know about the car ?

Ian

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-let it be know that the origional forum said 1961 and was corrected-

Thank you so much for your info. I'm looking for anything on the Saratogo. I'm hoping to buy one in the near future. It is a 1960 4-door w/ the push button trans. id like to know value, rarity, things to look for before buying, any little bit of info i want to know. this car excites me very much. I think it will be a prize winner fully restored. Also with the look of the engine Quite the cruiser!

if anyone has info please reply!

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Guest imported_BaronvonR

Here are some facts on the 1960 Saratoga which was the LAST year of production in the USA for this model.

The 4 door sedan cost $3,864, weighed 4,010 pounds and 8,463 were produced.

BvR

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Things to look for before buying - well the old tinworm - ie- rust would be the major item. Typical rust areas are floor pans, rear rear fender well lips, and lower rear quarter panels, rocker panels, headlight eyebrows, trunk floor and deck lid rail under the weatherstrip. Typically, western, northwestern, or southern cars are far less prone to rusting compared to cars from the midwest rust belt. The engine in the Saratoga would be the 383 RB engine, ( USA Production ) or the 383 B engine ( Canada ). Engines are reliable, well engineered, and the torqueflite transmissions are second to none, although these use the older cast-iron torqueflite automatic which was replaced in 1962 with the new lighter aluminum torqueflite 727. Parts and help are readily available to anyone restoring one of these beauties - especially if you are a member of the WPC Club. Have you actually found a car that you want to buy ?

Ian

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I cannot stress enough to THOROUGHLY look the car over for rust....it is a nightmare to chase....and very costly. I purchased a 1952 Dodge with 20K original miles on it from upstate New York. The interior was like showroom and the underside was....well....I never did get all the rust taken care of....I would get fumes in the car from the holes in the floor....just cautionary advice from someone who fell in love with a car I thought I could fix.....NOW the FIRST thing I do...even before hearing it run or driving it...I climb under and look....if there are holes I walk away.

BvR

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Guest De Soto Frank

Okay, advice from the owner of a '60 Windsor, Saratoga's smaller cousin.

Cannot overstress the importance of looking for cancer: these cars are infamous for it !

Places to look for rust/Bondo:

Headlight "eyebrows"

Front fenders, around hood hinges.

Lower rear quarters of front fenders

Floor pans

Rocker panels: these cars are "unit-body", therefore the rocker-panels are NOT just cosemtic - they ARE the side frame rails. If they have rust-out, this affects the structural integrity of the car!!!

Rear quarter panels (more cosemtic than structural)

Trunk Floor: frequently rusted-out, especially along rear valence (above rear bumper).

Trunk lip: the metal ledge that supports the trunk weatherstrip - these are almost always rusted-out, and repros are not avail - you'll have to fab your own. (This is what kills the trunk floors - see above)

Front bumpers: these frequently rust-out from the backside.

Engine: Should be the RB-383. This is NOT (repeat NOT!) the common B-383 found in De Soto, Dodge, Plymouth from the '58 through the 1970's. Rather, the RB-383 is an "under-bored" 413, that was used in Chrysler Windsor and Saratoga ONLY, 1959 & '60 ONLY. They are fine-running engines; but if yours needs to be rebuilt, pistons are very hard to find, and extremely expensive. (I just went through this in April of 2005.)

Otherwise, these cars share the same mechanicals and sheetmetal as the New Yorker and 300. They are bigger than the Windsor, and few parts swap between.

If you get one of these, one of the first things needed will be a complete rebuild of the braking system, replacing ALL steel lines and flex hoses. All wheel and master cylinders are available, brake shoes have to be sent-out for relining. Don't skimp here...you're piloting 2-1/2 tons of Chrysler...you need to be SURE that you can get it stopped !!!

Also plan on having to replace the rubber bushings in the front-end: upper control-arm bushings and the strut bushings. These are available from Moog. Your old ones will be dry-rotted and will fall apart after a few thousand miles driving.

Dash pad: if yours is not badly mishapen, cracked, and crumbling, consider yourself VERY lucky, and keep the car out of the sun as much as possible. Just Dashes can restore the dash pad, but it costs something like $600-$700.

All that said, these are very comfy, powerful cars that make great highway cruisers. Just be advised that Exxon and all the other oil companies will LOVE you for owning it...plan on 12-15MPG, driven conservatively. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Look carefully, find a good one before you open your wallet !

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Now that all the important points have been covered, a lady named Lana Lord on this site has a '60 NY'er for sale. It's posted on the buy and sell forum.

I was thinking of buying this car but decided it was a little too much work for me. She sent pictures, it is a nice car...not perfect. You may be interested in contacting her and discussing it. The NY'er is similar to the Saratoga. It was top of the line. It has a 413 RB engine and torqueflite automatic. Her car has a lot of optional equipment on it. Just some friendly advice if you are interested!

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thank you for your help everyone,

this is all good to know. i already have a saratoga im planning to buy so im not looking. in case a didnt mention this im only 16 and this will be my second prodject. my first is a 1957 bel air 4-door. great car. I look forward to the saratoga and any challenges it gives me. if any one has more info or any pictures pls. continue to add onto my forum. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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