joe kastellic Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Can you put a water pump from a 374 engine to a 352 engine will they interchange? Is there one poump for a/c cars and one pump for non-a/c cars? thanks Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 My parts manual says that All '55 and '56 used the same water pump. Part # 458410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Do you have an factory A/C car? If so, I would like to get pictures of the engine bay and car interior as I am trying to install an A/C unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 See attached pic. (Don't tell Mr Pusbutton i did this.) <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 another pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 see pic. BLASPHEMOUS!!!!!SPECIAL NOTE: These pics were taken about 5 years ago directly AFTER installation and 1st successful operation. The carpet has been replaced and the blue towel and bungie have long since been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Harlin Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Packard V/8I hope Howard doesnt look here & see those hose clamps. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 do u mean the hose clamp arounf the radiator hose or the one holding the Tach to the steering column????? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Actualy, i have some clamps worse than that. Those plastic gripper type? Yep i use them sometimes too. Had two giant boxes of them given to me at a demonstration a few years ago. Probably enuf to last me a life time. They do work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Harlin Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Packard V/8I meant the radiator hose, but joking about it. I cant find my pliers made for those @&*@(* spring clamps, when I replaced ours. I'm one of the few I guess that doesnt exactly go for the judging bit so those little things dont bother me. I use the aero clamps also. But I did install the mech. gauges in the glove box. Afraid they would be in the way under the dash. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 As long as it Keeps you Head Cool, That's what really matters. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> "Cool Heads Prevail" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Thanks for the photos--let me ask a dumb question--why did you go to the trouble of installing a tach on a car with an automatic? Yeah, I know you can put it in low and get the revs up, but it seems to be of little practical value! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Packards1 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Joe, Rick is correct. All 1955-56 Packard and Clipper water pumps are the same. Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 BH wrote:"...if your pump has the orignal cast iron impeller, ..."SEE p 2 of section XIV Radiator and Cooling of the service manual LAST paragraph left column of page and i quote: "The impeller is of a plastic material ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 A tach is a tach. I'm not sure why anyone would consider a tach w/ automatic as useless????? I use it for speedomter correction due to 235-75 R 15 tires. Diagnostics too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 BH. Thats ONLY what the manual says. I'm not convinced that plastic was actualy used in production. My post was more-or-less just a dictation of the manual as well as a prodding for possible documentation to refute the manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 changing the 'stat on my air-con set up is no worse than the factory set up. My bracket is designed JUST LIKE the factory bracket but is steel rather than CI. Factory bracket or my bracket either way it has to be removed to change the stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 see fig 7 of p 7 Air-con section of service manual and other figures therein. U will see the hole for the stat housing in the centre of the bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 i have another, what appears to be, a manufactured air con bracket that is similar to the bracket in the service manual but it is made of steel plate welded together and has NO provisions for oil filter mounting. I'm wondering if this could possibly be a very early 55 bracket???How many versions of the service manual (in its entiriry sans 56) exist??????? OR, to ask it another way, is the popular REPRINT manauals that of only one version of the 55 original manual or were there other 55 versions??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yes, very early on i had a hard time trying to deciper that bracket too when i was trying to come up a way to mount the compressor. When suddenly it dawned on me. THAT IS a veryy unorthodox way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Pushbutton Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Packard V8--good job getting A/C in a non A/C car. I like the fact that you used the Sanden compressor--they are a terrific design. I wonder if anyone out there has adapted a 60's-70's vintage GM Harrison compessor to an otherwise factory AC car? that compressor in my mind was the perfect machine. GM had that system perfected, the best couplings and a bulletproof compressor, and in their annoying GM way did away with it all in the early 80's to the newer (NFG) design. The old systems from 60's & 70's would hold a charge forever. It's somewhat suprising that Packard did not use the GM Harrison system, in light of the other components they bought from GM divisions. That Compressor was in GM cars from '53-on. I have the factory set up on my car, and don't know a lot about the Lehigh compressor, but it is more compicated than the GM or Sanden models, and relies on a rotating seal, the opposing faces of which are lapped, to maintain a seal. The Lehigh "V-2" Compressor was used for years as the compressor for refrigerated deli cases. I've been to a lot of Packard meets, and believe me, I check out every V-8 I see, and I have not seen many "as built" restorations with nice cold air. I have seen Bob Fordyce's (sp?) outstanding '56 Patrician, truly a high water mark in post-war restoration (for once not on a Carribean). He has the original system, and I understand it works. With R-12 now at "liquid gold" prices (and being stolen/sold by organized crime) it's daunting to think what it will take to get my system up and running, reliably holding a charge. I'm not at all offended by your system, as the car was not AC equipped originally. The evap core/blower box looks like Mark VI, which many mid 50's cars had added after the fact. Looking at my car, It would be a total pain in the A__ to add the factory system to a car that wasn't built with it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Brian, the plastic impeller was factory original and I was lucky enough to find an NOS one at Perrysburg in original box. They are a real pain to remove from the shaft and most rebuilders won't even try, they'll just break it off and put on a cast impeller. The problem is the metal center does not extend to the same level as the vanes and if you try to just slip a plate under it and drive out the shaft you are pounding against the plastic. You can remove it though if you have enough patience and then send the disassembled pump to have new shaft and seal installed. It is no problem to press the plastic impeller onto the shaft.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Mr Pushbutton wrote:"I wonder if anyone out there has adapted a 60's-70's vintage GM Harrison compessor..."That was my first intention before i went with the 86 Toyota compressor, bracket and condensor. The problem with the GM compressor is that it is SO long and i had trouble comming up with bracketing for it. The 86 Toyota set up and coupled to the Mark IV evap was the easiest and fastest way out for me at thetime. One thing IS FOR SURE that GM Harrison compressor u mention IS the finest of the fine in air con systems. Someone told me (i do not remeber who) that alot of dealers installed the Mark IV systems for demanding customers because they could install the Mark IV at full retail price cheaper than the dealer could order the car with factory air at wholesale. I am confident that the original owner of my Executive had the Mark IV installed at the dealer when the car was new but despite all of the documentation i got with the car that part of it is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kennedy Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 What did you do for a crankshaft pulley to drive the A/C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 When i bought the car it had a factory Al crank pulley for the Air-con already installed (55 was CI) and it had the mark IV evap installed and a hose and a tube but NO condensor, compressor, bracket nor receiver. Those items had been removed and discarded by the second ownner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I've not researched any retro fit crank pulley for air-con. BUT, i'm guessing that maybe a water pump fan pulley (mite be a little weak) could be modified to fit by turning it around backwards and welding drive lugs to it to engage the dogs in the balancer. Or SOME similar fabrication of an existing pulley from some other application. Or just order one from one of the big time suppliers????Bend over once and bend over right?????? Or something like that. Ask the man who owns one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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