Dave@Moon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 The fact that next year's car is cheaper to build and/or lighter isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Ford mono-block V-8 of 1932 and the Chevy (actually Pontiac) stamped rocker arms of 1955 are obvious examples of things that were improved at the same time as they were made cheaper and lighter.<P>What I was commenting on was the automotive industry's (and especially GM's) proclivity for making a virtue of this at inappropriate times. There was never a question of aluminum wiring (which I understand had already been banned from housing in most areas by 1974) or the elimination of dual note horns being anything like an improvement in the quality or function of the automobile. And it certainly wasn't being done for fuel economy! <P>The hyperbole Bill transcribed in starting this thread almost certainly came from some marketing whiz (note the "h" ) at GM. These are the same guys who had people waving goodby to Mr. Goodwrench [in the first series of Mr. Goodwrench TV commercials] out of rear seat windows in 1978 A-body wagons that in reality were fixed glass and couldn't be opened. <P>Actions like these have created an atmosphere where people view anything coming out of GM with a jaundiced eye. Time and time again its very difficult to view such scepticism as anything but healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 I think what this all comes down to is that there are certain "professions" whose opinions I will never trust;<P>Lawyers<P>Statistics<P>Marketing<P>Politics<P>Why? because the nature of these professions involve interpreting results and inevitably are biased toward what ever it is they are trying to sell. I guess that's the key, when someone's selling something a lie is sure to follow somewhere.<P>Feel free to add to this list as you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 How come only one of the "Big Three" was in the black last quarter ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 <I>You mean you can MONEY doing business like this? </I> <P> <p>[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: Dave@Moon ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Your right John Q, add accounting to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Chuck, you forgot doctors in the area too. As my father has said from time to time, they never get paid to work, only to practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Lest we forget to include stock analysts or "senior accountants" among the list of biased proffessions who seem to encourage P.T. Barnum's theorem, at least Charles Ponzi never disguised what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Ex98th I don't know how I could have missed out on the Doctor quotient, definetly belongs. ALWAYS get a second opinion unless you've got minutes to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 I am reminded of the story of the little boy in school whose teacher asked, "Johnny, is the world round or flat?"<P>He responded, "My daddy says it's crooked."<P>Seems to fit in here somewhere don't you think? ~ hvs<p>[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: hvs ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Statistics is a perfectly fine subset of mathematics. Twisting what it means is another thing - the 3 kinds of falsehoods- lies, damn lies, and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEW1966 Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Chuck, You forgot the Undertaker.<P>He is the last one to "let you down"<P><BR>Greg....NEW1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Very true Chuck! I guess if you're down to minutes you won't need to worry about the bill either, so at that point it is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 No, but your estate will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2002 Share Posted February 22, 2002 Time for a couple KK'S !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted February 23, 2002 Share Posted February 23, 2002 Split55555,<P>May I suggest a candidate for a 4th falsehood?<P>"...And for 2003, the Mucky Motor Corp. is bringing out an "All-new car"!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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