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I recently found a doodle bug scooter missing only the seat and chain gaurd .curious about how much it's worth .its been sitting in a shed for along long time

Please post a photo of your find or a link to it. Please know that I do not offer public appraisals but would love to see it.

Value completely depends on condition and originality. If you just want to flip it, list it on eBay and see what happens. There is a collector market for good scooters and parts that are original and in good condition.

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I'm having trouble uploading a pic but I'm using my phone I do know the engine is a clinton

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hope you can see the pictures I realized the side are missing but found the original seat like I said this scooter has been sitting for years and the badges are all there as well as the Clinton engine but I noticed no kick start . My wife and I are big into model t's which we have two a 23 roadster and a 27 touring.

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Jnberg-

I'm glad that you posted photos. It is indeed a Doodle Bug and appears to be a Model B with the Clinton engine. I suspect that it is a "real" Model B, as in one originally manufactured with the Clinton engine, but that can be verified by checking the frame's serial tag. It should say 1046B on it indicating it was "born" as a Model B that left the factory with the Clinton engine. This scooter does have the right gas tank and style of tank brackets for a Clinton motor. There should also be a "dip" in the engine mounting plate, at the front, right at the floor board and under the oil drain plug.

It is quite complete, but there are some things to be aware of. Please don't take this as criticism or think that I'm knocking down this scooter. I own worse and have saved worse! In terms of completeness, you are missing more than just the belt guard in terms of the sheet metal parts: both the right and left side covers are also missing. Those parts are all available as superior reproductions from Yesterdays Rides Metalworks (Don Jackson). The most significant missing part is the fluid drive clutch (oil filled centrifugal clutch - look like a big aluminum mushroom) - those are hard to find and expensive parts when they do turn up. As far as I am aware those have not ever been reproduced. The Clinton kick starter assembly is missing (which includes a ratcheting starter gear) - the rope start cup is incorrect. Who knows why that was done 68 years ago. Reproduction kick start assemblies are also available from Don Jackson. You also need the air cleaner (flat Simplex mesh air cleaner) and you need the muffler with the flex pipe on it. Both of those pieces are reproduced by Don Jackson.

In terms of incorrect items that are there, I see a number of those things as well. There should not be a hand control lever on the left side of the scooter at all. Someone added that for some reason (probably a brake) which means that there is probably a home-brew brake mechanism (or at least linkage) that I can't see very well in the photos. This means that the handlebars would need to be repaired to fix the hole. Otherwise, it's all fairly small stuff: the floor board rubber ribbing (and attachment method) is not correct, the kill switch isn't correct, the handlebar clamp is backwards (and isn't where a "real" Doodle Bug headlight would mount but I see why they did that).

Perhaps most significantly, just by looking at the photos of the side profile of the scooter, I am almost certain the the frame is bent. What I'm seeing is that the front fork tube has been pushed in towards the rest of the scooter. When this happens, the front wheel and front fender get too close to the floor board. Often the front fender will hit the floor board when turning in a reasonable radius...that isn't supposed to happen. Yours is not as bad as some I've seen, but your scooter has definitely taken some front end hits that tweaked the frame a bit. It can be fixed - it's not cheap or easy, but if you REALLY want to save it and have the frame absolutely arrow straight to factory specs, call Don Jackson at Yesterdays Rides Metalworks in Oregon. He has a frame jig and can get your frame back to factory specs. Some new steel is will likely be involved in the process, but most of what you have looks salvageable.

It's hard to tell if the scooter is just dusty or if there is a lot of surface rust there, but it looks like most of the original paint is pretty much gone. Still, it's pretty neat to find some so well intact after all of those years. I feel that it's at the point where it should be restored. The good news is while pretty much EVERY surface will have to be touched, you will not have to purchase very many of the major components at all. If you are interested in keeping it and/or restoring it, my suggestion would be to get in touch with Don Jackson at Yesterdays Rides Metalworks in Oregon. You can find his website via Google. It's best to call as he's fairly "old school" and not much of a computer guy (his daughter will answer emails after a few days but if you have questions or want to order something, call).

Oh...I almost forgot...Clinton Doodle Bugs (the model B) were made in very limited numbers (1000, thought most think 650-750, tops). Beam Manufacturing company when to the Clinton due to the short supply of Briggs & Stratton NP engines (as used on the other 39,000~ Doodle Bugs). It is said that the Briggs engines were cheaper for Beam to purchase in large lots than the Clinton, but the biggest reason for the short run with Clinton was due to lubrication problems. The early Clintons had an oil pump in them driven by the cam. The problem was that the the pump was rounding off the cam lobes which starved the engine of oil. Many of them "blew up" in the hands of unsuspecting owners. I'm not sure if there was a official recall, but I know that Clinton ended up switching to a splash system with an oil dipper instead and completely scrapping the idea of using an oil pump. The dipper proved to be far more reliable, but the damage was done and Beam went back to Briggs as soon as they could.

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There have been more than 50,000 views of this thread since originally posted in 2009. Impressive, I'd say. 

 

I believe many people have been able to identify, save, or restore their scooters using information posted here to get themselves started. 

 

Nothing has been added to this post in just over three years, so it seemed to be time to check in on any new developments. I remain happy to discuss Doodle Bugs and share the information that I have. I'm still buying stuff, too, if you're just wanting to sell your Doodle Bug stuff. 

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Thanks you for this sight and all the information contained here, it has really helped.  I have pretty much finished mocking up my Bug and now making some new side panels. I am now going to taking it all apart and paint and detail things back to as close to original as possible. My question is about the white striping around the edges of the side panels' are they paint or are they done with tape and also the striping on the front fender.

thanks, Jon D.

 

 

 

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Thought you might like to see a big block Doodle Bug. This has a twin overhead cam 88CI Crosley V8. I know Crosley didn't make a V8 but the owner of the Doodle Bug didn't let that stop him from making one. This was at last years Crosley Nationals. The sidecar was strictly so his wife could ride along he also rides it without the sidecar.

 

Hope no one is offended by the mod, he made minimal modifications to the actual DB in case it ever needed to be put back.

 

 

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On 12/29/2018 at 8:32 PM, Jonnyd said:

 My question is about the white striping around the edges of the side panels' are they paint or are they done with tape and also the striping on the front fender.

 

 

 

 

 

Jon-

 

As far as I can tell from closely examining the scooters and original parts that I have, the white stripe along the edges of the side skirts was painted on with striping wheel. It does not appear to be tape, but it's very hard to tell on my original scooters. If it was tape it is extremely thin tape and was applied very, very precisely (all things considered). But it sure looks like it was painted on to me. The front fender, on the other hand, appears to have been done with water slide decals. I do know that the "Hiawatha" or "Western Flyer" decals along with the Doodle Bug logo were originally water slide decals. 

 

On the Doodle Bugs that I have restored, I have painted on the white side skirt stripe and use a reproduction decal set to do the front fender. Note that on the fender there are two stylized stripes on each side and one that it at the top center of the fender. Some folks miss that 5th stripe that is there. I use reproduction decals from Jim Lovelace or Engine-Decals.com. He sells a lot of eBay, but has reproductions available of all of the Doodle Bug decals, not all of which are always listed on eBay.  Some of what is available from him is because he originally made up a few sets for my restorations. They are not water slide, but no matter...I'm REALLY picky - his decals are nice. 

 

That's a nice Model B (Clinton powered scooter) you have. Can't wait to see what it looks like as you get it finished up. It looks good so far!

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Jim, 

 

That Crosley powered scooter is wild. I've had folks send me photos of it before, but it didn't yet have the side car. I had always been told that it wasn't rideable because there was no "transmission" to get the power from the engine to the rear wheels, but clearly that's not the case and the owner figured something out. I'd love to examine it up close to see exactly how he did it. Doesn't offend me at all, by the way. I can certainly appreciate the time, effort, and craftsmanship that goes into a custom or hot rod. My personal tastes tend to be more "purist", but more so than that I'm just a "scooter guy" and like 'em all! 

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The owner showed it at the 2017 Crosley Nationals not finished, the engine wasn't running yet and the final drive was just a roughed out idea.  In 2018 the engine was running great with dual overhead cams (one per bank) and final drive installed. The drive is a rubber wheel running against the flywheel to a jack shaft. He is not happy with setup because of the slippage at startup and is looking into other options.

 

The front fender was missing and he fabricated one from the eagle gas can shown in the first picture. He then made what was left of the gas can into a tool carry box.

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Thanks for striping info. I finished painting the fuel tank and have it temporarily mounted. My tank mounts do not look the same as other Model B units but fits nice and fills the gap at the back of the seat. The tank also sits hirer and may help with fuel delivery when fuel is low. Vern at the last Doodle Bug meet in Webster said it was upside down like the first picks sent. I need to know how wide the stripping is on the side panels and are there decals of  the BUG on both sides of the panels on the Model B, and should there be Cinton decals on the sides of fuel tank. I know the frame should be red and will be eventually.NeqoQH2MT6qCYoG1TyMUxA_thumb_3bc.thumb.jpg.8c022a49625d85b20742c97298efa106.jpg 

 

Jonny D.

 

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I've been told that the tank on my scooter (above) is not mounted correctly but I don't know.  Nice work you are doing

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Thanks for the kudos, your scooter looks awesome. Mounting the tank higher hides some internal components and cleans up the look from that point of view.

 

Jonny D 

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