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  1. Email the new owner of Fox Grips, Mike, at foxgrips@yahoo.com He has posted his name and email publicly here, so I'm not sharing private contact information: http://www.simplexservi-cycle.com/index.php?topic=1459.0 He has the mold for the Doodle Bug grips you need and can make them in white, as per original. It does not seem that a website ever materialized. Most of the business seems to be running through eBay.
  2. Jonny D - You have your gas tank mounted correctly. It is supposed to sit high, up at the back of the seat like that. There are factory photos and manuals that show this. It does still "work" if the tank is mounted lower, with the brackets being upside down and I see a lot of scooters like that, but it is supposed to be mounted high and the tank tucked in close. The stripe of the side covers is just over 1/8" wide, but not quite 3/16". Nobody will probably ever take a ruler to your side cover to check, but if you really want it accurate, that's the measurement to go for. Your question about the decals is really a great question. I have studied this for years trying to determine what was originally done and what is correct. The only conclusion I have from all of that is that they were very inconsistent and there were constant changes, thus many variations in what decals were applied and where. There are original scooters and factory photos and publications showing almost every configuration possible. It seems that many, but not all, Doodle Bugs had the Doodle Bug logo on only the left hand side. The only consistent thing about the Doodle Bug logo is that the "bug" always faced forward, towards the front of the scooter. On the right hand side was usually, but not always, where the Hiawatha or Western Flyer decal went (was not usually on the left, but not always!). Some Clinton powered scooters came with black tanks, some came with red tanks (mounting brackets were always red, even with a black tank). Some Clinton tanks had decals on the ends, some didn't (this was also true of Briggs tanks). Basically unless you know what the original paint looked like, you can restore yours in virtually any decal configuration and it won't ever be "wrong." Speaking of side covers, you should have small holes on each side for the choke rod. Both side panels should have this. The choke rod for Clinton powered scooters comes out of the left side of the scooter and is a a wire with loop on the end, almost like a coat hanger. The choke rod for a Briggs powered scooter comes out the right side and has a small knob at the end of it (the choke rod on real61ss' scooter is actually a Briggs rod). Most of the side panels also had hole on the right side for the switch to be mounted when using an accessory lighting kit. There was often (but not always!) an aluminum plug used to fill that hole that could be removed if installing a lighting kit. The hole ends up smack in the middle of the Doodle Bug logo!
  3. I think you need to decide what business you want to be in... 1. Real estate developer (which means building the facility then actually selling the garages/condos) 2. Landlord (you own it and collect rent for the spaces) 3. Shop owner (restoration, repair, car wash, whatever...) 4. Museum operator 5. Race track operator 6. Restaurant operator 7. Events center operator My opinion is that a lot of these concepts fail because there is no focus and the facility is trying to do all of those things at the same time with limited knowledge of most of the various lines of business. It can be done, but the phrase "Jack of all trades, master of none" comes to mind. Personally I see the model used at M1 Concourse to be the best approach - SELL the garage units to individuals thus transferring risk to them (insurance, liability, security, etc.) and then offer shared spaces like the track, skid pad, picnic area for RENT but with blackout periods for garage owner use exclusively. That seems like a much more manageable, and likely sustainable, approach to such a facility.
  4. There is a facility just south of Fort Worth, Texas called the Motorsports Ranch. It seems to be nearly exactly the sort of thing you're talking about. They have a private road course (two actually), a skid pad, clubhouse, garages (13 buildings worth), and private on-site support businesses of different sorts. There are (apparently separate, third-party?) some stand-alone track side houses available there also. Their website has a lot of information on what they have to offer and what their fee structure is. They don't have a museum, but they seem to check just about every other box that you mentioned. It took A LOT of time and money to get this facility to where it is today. A LOT. It did not happen overnight, rather it took years to develop the facility. If you are serious about pursuing a similar concept, my suggestion is to go visit this facility and try to get them to answer as many questions as you can think of. I don't intend to discourage you but think part of your market research should be to see what your competition has to offer and how they run their operations. They seem to be more "track centric" and with more of a motor sports focus, so less about the garages themselves, but that might be an important take-away for you to consider.I am not a member there but have seen their facility.
  5. Jim, That Crosley powered scooter is wild. I've had folks send me photos of it before, but it didn't yet have the side car. I had always been told that it wasn't rideable because there was no "transmission" to get the power from the engine to the rear wheels, but clearly that's not the case and the owner figured something out. I'd love to examine it up close to see exactly how he did it. Doesn't offend me at all, by the way. I can certainly appreciate the time, effort, and craftsmanship that goes into a custom or hot rod. My personal tastes tend to be more "purist", but more so than that I'm just a "scooter guy" and like 'em all!
  6. Jon- As far as I can tell from closely examining the scooters and original parts that I have, the white stripe along the edges of the side skirts was painted on with striping wheel. It does not appear to be tape, but it's very hard to tell on my original scooters. If it was tape it is extremely thin tape and was applied very, very precisely (all things considered). But it sure looks like it was painted on to me. The front fender, on the other hand, appears to have been done with water slide decals. I do know that the "Hiawatha" or "Western Flyer" decals along with the Doodle Bug logo were originally water slide decals. On the Doodle Bugs that I have restored, I have painted on the white side skirt stripe and use a reproduction decal set to do the front fender. Note that on the fender there are two stylized stripes on each side and one that it at the top center of the fender. Some folks miss that 5th stripe that is there. I use reproduction decals from Jim Lovelace or Engine-Decals.com. He sells a lot of eBay, but has reproductions available of all of the Doodle Bug decals, not all of which are always listed on eBay. Some of what is available from him is because he originally made up a few sets for my restorations. They are not water slide, but no matter...I'm REALLY picky - his decals are nice. That's a nice Model B (Clinton powered scooter) you have. Can't wait to see what it looks like as you get it finished up. It looks good so far!
  7. There have been more than 50,000 views of this thread since originally posted in 2009. Impressive, I'd say. I believe many people have been able to identify, save, or restore their scooters using information posted here to get themselves started. Nothing has been added to this post in just over three years, so it seemed to be time to check in on any new developments. I remain happy to discuss Doodle Bugs and share the information that I have. I'm still buying stuff, too, if you're just wanting to sell your Doodle Bug stuff.
  8. Ariel, There is an Auranthetic Charger coming up for auction at the 2019 Mecum Motorcycle auction in Las Vegas in January. Looking through the catalog, it looks nice.
  9. Wow, I'm sorry to see this. First, I certainly hope that nobody was injured or killed in the fire. With that said, I suppose the Indian could be saved, but every single surface would need attention. It would certainly be a committed restoration. The Toppers may still have some usable bits for the hardcore Topper guy (that's not me), but saving any of them would be a monumental restoration. I'm not saying it isn't "worth it" to save them, but the cost of parts and restoration on those scooters will easily exceed their value. There are usually a few nice Toppers each year that come up for sale for someone that's looking for one that's complete. These may be best served as parts bikes for someone that's trying to finish a couple of their own.
  10. You may be interested to know that there has been a Firebaugh that has been for sale for a couple of years in the Vintage Motor Bike Club magazine. Purportedly from the Melody Ranch of Gene Autry and Western movies fame. I have seen that same scooter posted for sale on eBay at different times, too. There is a copy of the for sale ad on the Firebaugh page of the US Scooter Museum (not really a place, just a website). That's probably where you got the photos you posted, as they have identical images posted on their site.See: Firebaugh - US Scooter Museum The Vintage Motor Bike Club meet in Portland, Indiana has had a couple of these there over the years. They are not common, but aren't highly sought after by the scooter and motorcycle collecting crowd. Definitely interesting machines and worth saving, especially for $35.
  11. That is a Whizzer Motobike Model J motor. Dates to about 1948. That would not have been the original carburetor (they used a Carter) but Amal carbs were very common on motorcycles and were often adapted to Whizzers.
  12. Ok, you've taken major exception to my use of the word "splitting." You could substitute "discontinuing our relationship and financial support" (to use your words) for my choice of word: "splitting." By "splitting" I meant that the two entities are going their separate ways and that the relationship, whatever it was, has been discontinued. I understand that the club and museum were always separate entities legally and in operation, but when a "relationship" and "financial support" is discontinued after a period of years, that can move can be construed as "splitting" which is what I said. I don't really think it's a stretch to get "splitting" out of what's going on, but clearly we disagree on that point. If you go back and re-read what I posted, you'll see that I was not critical of the decision itself, of the AACA board, the AACA Museum board, or of the club at a whole. I made no comment on any of those topics. My post was to point out that I think having the AACA name attached to a non-affiliated, separate entity (meaning the museum) is misleading NOW considering the turn of events. Further I suggested that a name change for the museum would clarify the difference between the two, the museum and the club. I personally DO think it is misleading for the museum to be the AACA Museum if there is no connection, financial or otherwise, to the AACA club. That is just my opinion. I understand the origin of the name; that wasn't the point of my posting at all. Do I really think it will change? No, I don't. I understand the need and desire to expand AACA's facility and library. That's fine, too. I also made no comment on that whatsoever. I get that the funds previously directed to the museum can be redirected to that project. Makes sense. Again, my posting was only addressing "AACA" being used within the museum's name when it is clearly the acronym of the club. I guess that all of this is to say that I stand by my original statement and I don't really think that the dressing down I got here was warranted at all. I had not logged in here since September. Like you said, nothing changes. I clearly haven't missed much.
  13. Velocity Channel isn't perfect but it's better than 99% of TV offerings. I don't have cable or satellite TV. I do have an Apple TV which works as a streaming device via my internet connection. It lets me pick and choose what I want to watch as if every show was pay-per-view. I can buy one episode or even an entire season for a fraction of what it would cost to have premium cable or satellite TV in order to get Velocity Channel. It is easy to pick what I want to see and skip the terrible shows and fake drama and so on. As for all of the contempt for Chasing Classic Cars...well, I like the show. Wayne has a neat facility, neat/good employees, the funds to support his business (read as: buy almost whatever he wants), and he has a TV show about all of it to boot. It's a business, he's a businessman, and the show is about his business. I think I'd enjoy being in his shoes, quite frankly. Seems pretty neat. I'm less enthusiastic about other shows, but do like watching Restoration Garage (the Guild show). I skip virtually everything else.
  14. Interesting situation here... If the AACA is splitting with the museum, why in the world does the museum get to be "AACA Museum" by name if they are not affiliated?!?! Being unaffiliated, the very use of AACA in the name "AACA Museum" is flat-out misleading. And it's not as if the acronym "AACA" stands for anything other than Antique Automobile Club of America in this case. Honestly, it almost seems to me like the museum name should be modified to clearly differentiate between the museum and the club. I doubt that will happen, but if they are going to be independent and not under the AACA club umbrella, they should forge a new identify and, in turn, the club should move on.
  15. The one you have, by the way, is the higher-end model: it has telescopic front forks. It appears that the lever to raise and lower the engine might be missing. It sticks out from the top of the plastic cowl on the back and lays flat against the top of it. The lever itself was...you guessed it...plastic, so lots of them broke. Otherwise, you seem to have a really nice one on your hands. Definitely worth a little tinkering to get it up and running. They are very slow (like 15mph) but they're fun to ride around on.