34PackardRoadsta Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Dear All,I know this was covered a bit ago in answering a question from tbirdman, but I am still a bit confused.I am trying to remove the starter from my 1930 733. There is a large bolt on the flywheel case that I removed, thinking this would allow the starter to come free. Well, it doesn't. So, do I have the right bolt and the starter is just stuck on, or is there another bolt that I am not seeing, or is there a trick once the bolt is removed for getting this beast off? Or, of course, any combo of the three.I have attached a photo with an arrow pointing to the bolt I have removed. You will also see that I already disconnected the starter lead.Cheers,Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34PackardRoadsta Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 Ooops. I figured it out. Yup, that is the bolt. I used a filter wrench to turn the starter a bit and it loosened up enough to pull out.Sorry about the premature post!Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Now that's one I haven't heard...a premature post. It's better to ask than ruin something. I've have asked plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I always put a little Grease on that mating surface, so it will be easier to get apart the Next time. 'A Little Dab 'll Do Ya' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 "Never Sieze" would be a better choice than grease, but I'd be reluctant to use anything; by increasing the ease of the starter motor rotating in the housing, you place all the stress of cranking the motor on the bolt and one side of the casting. I've seen a few Eight and Super Eight blocks cracked there, and more than one Twelve block actually broken from this. Same reasoning as to not put grease on the tapered rear axle shafts, a friction fit is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 There's always someone that want's to start another argument about 'Grease' , but I'm not gonna let him pull me in. LOL Everyone can form there own opinion about what 'Works', I only know what Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34PackardRoadsta Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 OK. I think I will go with Owen. The importance of a friction fit makes sense: similar to the starter on the diesel in my boat. Lot's of torque on that one (inline 6 175hp turbocharged).It wasn't that hard to use a filter wrench to give it a 1/4" turn. Thanks for the info.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Tom, The bolt determines the position of the starter, since it determines how far the starter goes in, and there's always a small air gap around part of the fit. So a lubricate around and in the opening actually makes the fit tighter, preventing air from getting between the mounting surfaces, and of course it prevents moisture from getting between them causing rust and corrosion. There's nothing to pull the starter in tighter, like there is on an axle-shaft. Do it the way you want, but I just had to say something, when I know I'm Correct on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34PackardRoadsta Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Rick,I understand, but with one bolt, the torque will still be pretty severe. I understand the benefit of a little oil, but as the thing is sitting in the crank, it gets plenty of lube. I will definitely use a little oil when inserting, but I probably won't use grease.I will let you know how it turns out.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 34PackardRoadsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I understand the benefit of a little oil, but as the thing is sitting in the crank, it gets plenty of lube. Tom </div></div> A little oil is Fine, it just doesn't last as long as high-temp grease. Any excess grease is pushed out when you push the starter in, anyway. I don't understand what you mean "sitting in the crank" ?The starter does not get any lubrication, from the engine.Oil from the crankcase should Not be getting to the flywheel and starter. If you are seeing a Lot of oil on the starter gear and the flywheel, then there may be a crankshaft Seal Leak? Either that or the chassis-lubicator is putting Way Too Much oil in at the shift-lever in tranny, thru the clutch. Or maybe even from a transmission seal leak, but I would suspect a crankshaft seal leak first. If you are seeing a lot of oil on the flywheel then there's probably a lot of oil on the Clutch, which is Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34PackardRoadsta Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yeah, I was being dumb. I know it should only get lube from the bijur system. I sometimes get confused! See my other post on dropping the oil pan. I suspect I have more problems with seals than I thought! I apologize for being a bonehead! Thank you for your patience.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Am I doing something wrong? Mine came out without any issue and I have no trouble sticking the starter back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Am I doing something wrong? Mine came out without any issue and I have no trouble sticking the starter back in. </div></div> Some people are Good at 'Mating' and some are Not. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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