Richard Lichtfel
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This car is registered with the Peerless Club as a 1930 6-81 and purchased by Ed Ledebuhr and restored in 1952. The horns were added but the wire wheels were a Peerless option and original. The engine is a Continental 6, 66 hp. 116 inch WB priced $1,595.00
when new. Ed died a few years ago and the car was sold to Robert Rosendahl in Menominie, Wis. This was the last of the Peerless 6 cylinder cars. The balance of production in 1930 was all Continental 8 cylinder engnes.
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The cross country Packard---I was reading a while back about the Lincoln Hiway and the President of Packard, being involved in the Lincoln Hiway Association, drove a brand new Packard Twin Six to California to promote the Packard and the Lincoln Hiway. Could this be that car?
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Some of the early cars had a oversized tire in the rear, like my Peerless 34x4 front
35x4 1/2 rear. This was for the extra load in the 7 pass. touring cars. Later it became a style thing. Dual side mounts and such.
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What cars do you know of that start with P ??????
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The nice thing about good deeds is that they become contagious.
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I think that publication was the first Automobile Quarterly. Not the one we know of today but a paper publication. I have a copy of it.
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Peerless had an important job during the war!! They brewed Carlings Black Label for the troops.
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It would be interesting to find out when and who first used the Three P's slogan for Peerless, Pierce-Arrow & Packard. (Not necesarily in that order but I'm a Peerless person). I have seen it used on some articles written in the 30's though. By 1910 the three P's were very similar in price and quality, Peerless in1905 had a model that sold for $11,000, other Peerless models sold between 4 and $6,000. In 1911 Peerless was taken over by G.E. and their focus was more on trucks and the car production suffered. In 1914 Peerless only produced 275 cars and over 12,000 trucks. All the 4 cylinder engines went into the trucks and the old design T head six was used in the cars. 1915 was another bad year for Peerless cars, 1916 they tried to come back with the V-8 engine and more streamlined bodies but they had lost much of the market by then and they only had three models to choose from. By 1920 Peerless had developed the V-8 to where you could put 200,000 miles on it before any major repairs, so they decided not to change the body styles so your Peerless will last many years and not go out of style. This was a bad policy for the roaring 20's. In the late 20's Peerless tried to make a come back with some beautifully styed cars but it was too late.
I think if we are to compare the great 3-P's it would have to be between 1903 and 1914. I don't think they were on a equal after that.
RHL
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After reading all the descriptions of survivors and classics I think my wife fits that same criteria.
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If your wheels are straight and the spokes tight I would not remove the rim. They can be beautifully restored. I have a large touring car with 26 inch wooden wheels that I refinished 50 years ago. I have put at least 100,000 miles on this and the wheels are still tight. There are ways to restore loose and stained wheels with Kwik-Poly but you will have to paint the wheels. I dipped my wheels and bleached them with oxcilic acid then painted the rim, originally I used red lead which is still on there today, and then painted them black. Today ectching primer works just as good. Then scraping, sanding and varnish.
However, it's hard to beat new wooden wheels if you car afford them.
RHL
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Many years ago I was a judge in the AACA, most of the cars then were brass. Some would bring their cars in on a trailer, unload it and have it judged. It was quite obvious that this car was not restored to run. No oil or grease on anything or in anything. Some didn't even have the internal parts in the engine. And yet we had to judge this car next to one that obviously had been driven but it too was a perfect restoration also. Unfortunatly the car that didn't have a spec of oil won. We decided that at the next judging meet the cars had to be driven from the show area to the judging area. WOW you should have heard the whining then. We even knocked off points on a Model T that was over restored. (A hand rubbed undercarriage).
After a few threats on my life I quit judging.
RHL
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The reason the 1922 Cadillac and Peerless look alike is because in 1921 Mr. Collins, President of Cadillac formed a corporation called the Collins Motor Car Company and raised 4 million dollars in capitol that was used to buy controlling interest in the Peerless Motor Car Company. Peerless management was completely replaced by Cadillac people.
Collins President
W.M.Collins Vice President (Collins son)
Mr. Lang Vice President former vice president of Cadillac
Mr. Cleary Adv. Mgr former adv. mgr. at Cadillac
Mr. Porter Treasurer former controler at Cadillac
Mr. McDaniel distribution mgr. former assistant dist. mgr at Cadillac
Mr. Burke V. President & general sales mgr. former sales mgr. Cadillac
Mr. Emig experimental eng. same position at Cadillac
Mr. Pearce assistant treas. had same position at Cadillac
Mr. Earhardt purchasing mgr. had same position at Cadillac
W.R.Milner body design engineer-had same position at Cadillac
F.h. Trester Secretary--assistant to Pres. at Cadillac
W.R.McClenaghan superintendent--same at Cadillac
Herman Schwarze electrical engineer--same at Cadillac
In August 1922 the new Peerless models were introduced and do you see why they looked like the Cadillac??
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1922 Peerless Suburban Sedan 128 inch WB V-8 $4,090
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Because of the enviromental issues the new motor oils are lacking the additives that protected the older engines. I was told by an oil engineer that for our older engines we should use heavy duty diesel engine oil, this has all the additives that regular motor oil had a few years ago. This should not be used with a catalitic converter.
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How about "Car Lashes" I'm putting a set on my wifes Jeepster tonight.
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We had our own EGO trip car show a few years ago. The Jefferson meet was featuring Mopars. So I rented a tent and my son brought his 1970 Cuda Conv.
my son-in-law his 1970 Challenger RT conv. a friend brought his 1970 Hemi Challenger and I brought my four 1970 Challenger RT conv. all numbers matching and restored, fun but a job shuttling.
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Jeff,
I did some research on oils for our old engines and I was wrong. I have been using 30 SAE non detergent oil. I contacted a couple of engineers with the oil companies and this is what I was told. Non-detergent 30 weight oil is not even going to be called motor oil anymore but farm oil only good for barn doors and such. It doesn't have any of the additives in it to protect a internal combustion engine. The modern oils are good for todays new engines but because of enviromental concerns the additives that were added to protect the older engines have been removed. The oil they recomended for our older engines is a heavy duty diesel engine oil. This has the additives that will protect the older engines like ours. My Peerless is being drained as I write this.
RHL
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Eventually Peerless was bought out but not as a car maker. In 1932 Peerless purchased the rights from Carlings of Canada to brew Carlings Black Label and Red Cap Ale. For more information on the history of Peerless go to wwwpeerlessmotorcar.com
Peerless stock certificates come up for sale regularly on Ebay for $10 to $25.
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It's pretty accurate for Wisconsin.
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Things haven't changed. Back in the teens you could buy speed equipment for the Model T, even bodies, wire wheels, radiators. Wasn't that Hot Roding?
Years ago you could find a lot of cars where the bodies were very bad and you could buy them for $25. They weren't worth restoring so you got the chassis restored and then built your own body, speedster or depot hack. They weren't factory made but were custom cars or hot rods. And today you see a lot of these at shows. They are fun and no one complains about them. No different than todays hot rods and customs.
RHL
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My color samples are so faded that you cannot use them. I also have the paint mixing formula's but you can't get the same ingredients anymore. The best thing is to find the color you like and use that, the judges wouldn't care unless you painted it Hemi orange with bumble bee stripes.
RHL
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Ethanol in gas in Wisconsin has caused so much trouble with the boating industries that it is not manditory here and there are still stations that have regular gas. We also have several ethanol plants here and they are having some financial problems especially when the price of gas goes down and corn goes up. They are the ones that are advocating for higher gas prices and higher ethanol percentage. It wouldn't surprise me if the oil company's are the ones that own the ethanol plants.
We live by the golden rule----Those with the gold rule!!!!!!!!
RHL
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I am restoring a 1958 Peerless GT built in England with TR-3 running gear. There were supposed to be 50 made with left hand drive that were shipped to the USA. Does anyone know of any of these and who may own them.
Thank you, RHL
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Jeff,
Don Bettes would be the expert on your Peerless He is a member of the Peerless club and you should have his number. He will be at Hershey and may be able to find you parts.
B-4 starting your engine you should drain the old oil out, put the plug in and a quart of kerosene in and let soak, shake it around if you can. Pull the plugs and put some kerosene in each cylinder. After a day or so drain the pan. Put the plug in and a gallon of kerosene and turn the engine over with no ignition, spark plugs still out. Do this for a couple of days a couple of times each day. Then drain the kerosene out and fill crankcase with 30 weight non'detergent oil. The kerosene that is in the oil passage ways will mix with the oil. Do not use detergent oil unless you have a good filter. Put the plugs in and start it. Do this outside because it will smoke some. Turn the engine over once a month if you are not running it to keep the inside lubricated.
Standard Peerless colors, '28 & '29:
Mocha Stone Gray--------Stutz Royal Red------Ivory----Ohio Blue----Opal Green
Amber Brown-----Buckingham Brown----Obsidian Blue---Griotte Green---
Polo Tan other colors available on special orders.
RHL
Checker: The Forgotten Independent
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Checker! I read the reports on the Checker, roomy, built like a tank, easy to service, so in the early 60's I bought one for my young family. Leaky Continental engine, doors wouldn't stay shut, hard steering, my wife hated that car. Then one day a Buick bumped us in the rear at a stop sign, that (built like a tank) Checker folded up like a beer can. The Buick? couldn't find any damage on it, but the tank had to be towed away. We were glad to see that one go!
My wife and I both collect cars but if I were to bring a Checker home she would divorce me. "Ask the man who owned one!!!"
RHL