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1937hd45- Yeah there's a huge difference but nobody around cares. I have yet to talk to anyone in Southern Cali at a show or cruise in that has a "modified" auto that actually did most of the modding work more recently than like 1970. All the "hot rods" are reincarnations of much earlier work too. Some have been updated and re-done 2-3 times in the last 40-50 years since they were originally modified. And most were originally modded at a time when they were not even semi-rare, and still aren't. The 400 run of V-16 Marmons is rare. A million production run of plain-Jane 39-40 Fords isn't?
I really wonder if anything post the mid- 1970s will ever be "collected" other than auto exotica like Lamborghinis, 400-run unique Audis, some Benzs, Vipers- you get the idea. The "kids" today that haunt the cruises and shows around here talk about wanting cars like a 64 Malibu or a 47 Ford. They're sure not drooling about 1980s Granadas or Camrys. "Collecting" a 70-something AMC Gremlin is not on par with collecting a Delage, Horch or Delahaye.
I see all the cars we own simply going to the next generation. They aren't dumb enough to imagine that some 1980-90s econo-bucket from a 330,000 production run will be at all rare or valuable, ever. You can see the impetus to obtain rarities in limited run twelve 60s Hemicudas going for $200,000. No young person is planning retirement on a 1983 Buick Regal's future value.
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Wasn't there a big discussion about this here once and it was concluded that there is no want or need for a Packard-specific moderator? Peter is a universal moderator and that doesn't count. There is and has been no nastyness going on between any folks here with a need for arbitrary action. Unlike other areas of this web community there is no one here in Packard calling others morons or idiots.
This is like a country town with 100 inhabitants. You just don't need an expensive electronic traffic signal where the only 2 roads in town cross when a tin stop sign will do.
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The links are fine. No one should care. It's a benign subject. It might actually help someone looking for something. End of story. What folks don't want is moderators.
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Is the new wiring harness installed and functioning OK?
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Last year we had record rains in Southern Cali. Damn, it's raining again right now and will wipe out my Tuesday cruise nite. But generally we can drive our old cars in dry wheather anytime. I gotta get going on my 65 Nova which needs a lot!!! And I have a line on a 1930 Marmon. If I can pick it up at low, low cost I might get it. My Packard will get a anti-rust coating and a couple of the last things needed chromed.
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I got a new- rebuilt carb on mine (288CID) and it only goes around on city streets. Mileage is 12.5 MPG. My car has 77,000 miles on it and no overdrive. I've never needed or wanted to take it on the freeway for any trip long enough to get mileage for "hiway." My old crappy carb was below 10, probably like 8. A new carb will do wonders and you can easily justify the expense with $3 gas prices and a 17 gallon tank.
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Shoot, it looks to be in awfully good shape!
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These scamming mofos just never stop do they?
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Just curious, but is there a problem with the DMV rectifying the original error and issuing a new title with the correct numbers on it? In other words why do we care what number a DMV uses?
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Here's a good rule of thumb on desire-ability and value. After convertibles, 2-door HT, then it's 4-door HT and then it goes to 2-door sedan and 4-door sedan.
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Yeah the Judges were considered cartoonish to the owners of 64-67 GTOs. The 68s were plumping up and the 70s were even fatter.
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Lovely pix!
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1959 Ford Fairlane 500 4 dr HT back in '64. And yeah, I parallel parked the monster.
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Dude, you spent 12 grand on paint for a vehicle that basically gets driven off road (this includes the water) You're braver than me.
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I'll see about it withing the next 10 days I think and post the condition. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Obviously if it is a 1930 it is not a V-16 as you have but it might be worthy of attention if it could be obtained at a low price. And it is a California car if that means rust might be less. Beyond the V-16 cars though I haven't seen any real high prices on Big Eights, Roosevelts or Model 79s and what have you. I don't conceive of spending $30k including purchase to restore a car worth $18K if you know what I mean. If I was 25-30 I could justify it given that I'd live to see a return on investment if only in my mind. Not that I would sell it. But at my age and health I don't have 20 years to watch Marmon values escalate. The kids are going to get enough so makes no sense to restore it for them to sell in 10 years.
I'll have to go see it and know the price before getting excited. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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It's hard to get people to see that we all view things relatively to our passage through time. Since I saw tons of 50-60s cars growing up during those times they don't feel particularly old to me. 30s cars do. 30 year old people born in 1975 see 60-s 70s cars as very ancient. Now if I could swap my nearly 58 year old body for a 30 year old one I'd be happy.
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"(Of course, the parts store guarantee doesn't cover labor.)" Guess what? neither does GM or any manufacturer. My 96 Eldo needed an alternator and it's a major labor pain. I took it to my independent who more or less specializes in GM cars. Well not very long after the replacement it went bad- this is a new GM part now. My mechanic winced at the thought of having to pull it out but did, of course. I asked him about the labor and he told me no one reimburses for labor.
I found an engine remanufacturer who does though <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> www.powerpro2000.com/
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Yes go to your local tire seller and find some used ones for very little money. The place I've gone for many years always has some used ones for folks that want a cheap spare or trailer tires just for sitting or occassional local use. If you're going to ultimately put proper tires on it doesn't matter about size too much for the time being.
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I got a line on a 1930 Marmon here in So. California that is possibly going to be for sale. I haven't seen it yet and have no idea what model it is. My consuming thought is that ANY 1930 Marmon ought to be worthy to obtain. I am pretty sure it is a coupe or sedan and not any type of ragtop. I suppose I can't go wrong if I can pick it up for like $5000 no matter what I'd need to put in it. ???? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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It's like these wankers are emboldened by the low production run hemicudas that go for $100,000+ and figure everything old is highly valuable. Sad part is that this trend will continue because dummies are paying $5000 for rusted out hulks with good-for-boat-anchor motors that will need $30,000 put into them to be worth $20,000.
Be patient. It may take a while but a decent car for a fair value is out there.
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Just curious, does this guys sell individual parts to folks? I understand not the entire inventory but he's not just sitting on all of it is he? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Here's a great example of the city building safety nazis at work. There as many, many homes in my town with existing car ports. Today if Joe Doaks wants to build a car port it is unlawful to attach it to a wall with windows. Why? You guessed it. Some idiot might run a car for several hours and the toxic exhaust might waft into the open window where a person who cannot speak or move might be overcome.
Of course this has never happened and 50 year old houses with windows into car ports have never had a fatality in half a century of existence but we must surmize that they MIGHT and that's good enough for the safety nazis and their dedication to public safety. Be interesting to see if anyone selling a house today that has carport windows will have to seal them up.
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Well there's always the Aston Marton oil sprayer and tire spike layer that 007 used.........
Another one bites the dust!
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I think part of the problem as such is each person's personal definition of a classic car. I don't believe every rent a wreck that rolls down the road that is 25 years old is a classic or an antique. To me an antique is more in the non-auto description of something 50 years or more old. A classic is a lower production quantity auto with some distinctive styling and/or mechanical features. A 37 Cord is a classic and a 37 Ford isn't---to me, only to me, perhaps. 942,000 37 Fords or 942,000 of anything does not equal rare. 1,146 1937 Cords is a different story, huh?
Id's say a 37 Cord is a classic and a 37 Ford is a special interest car. But that's just me. Well it must be some others too when you look at value disparity for the 2 cars mentioned.
Modified cars are special interest cars- hot rods etc. and less than 100% restored-to-stock cars. Gremlins and Pintos 25 years old + are just special interest cars also even if they're stock. 66 GTOs are too. They're not rare or high quality or distinctive.
I can't reconcile placing a 38 Bugatti Atlantic, a 37 Delage, a 38 Talbot Lago, a 33 Marmon V-16, a 35 Chrysler Airflow or a 33 Dusenberg in the same category as a 32 Ford, 60 Studebaker, 54 DeSoto, 70 GTO, 80 VW or a 29 Chevy. Whether it's in some club's definitions or in one's personal thinking it is obvious the above examples are not the same. Distinctive vs mundane perhaps says it best.
I think people that can't afford a half million dollar restoration of a 37 Delahaye have rationalized that their 37 Ford is an equal entity. And obviously it is widespread due to the fact that assorted clubs mirror that example calling cars that have simply survived a pre-determined length of time as a classic.
If clubs change their classes by adding some it still doesn't mean the original classes are invalid. It means that people with the newly recognized classes might infuse some membership money into the tired old organization. It doesn't mean the new classes will take over and eclipse the original clubsters. It means the organization is spreading its monetary base out in a desire to survive.
It's just fine to have a class that is a 100% showroom stock. It is fine to have a modified class of special interest cars. The public don't mind seeing both at the same venue. They just don't want to see an over abunance of either. If clubs balance their membership's cars at viewing sites everyone will be happy.
A person can go see a 34 Lincoln and a modified 61 Bonneville at the same venue. Hmm? Don't we already have that opportunity at nearly every local car show and cruise-in? So why should any big time club be different? Keep the original classes. Revere them if you want but to stay afloat financially some clubs need to think about infusing a diversity of automobilia to encompass modified cars and even distinctive European autos.
The cars people bandy about in phrases as "classic" or "antique" are 1980s econo-boxes that were spit out with hundreds of thousands of clones. This is just wrong and you all know it. These cars 25 yeas old are not finding their way into national organizations showings or even local cruise-ins for that matter. To mention them is esoteric at best since they have no impact on show venues at all or the hobby in general. No body wants to look at or collect 1980 K Cars or Datsuns. Anyone that truly believes that mass-produced schlockmobiles of the 80s or 90s are now or will be in the future valid "classics" or "antiques" is deluding themselves.
How far into the future will it be when a Taurus is rare?
The conditions that created unique automobiles that many revere today are gone forever. The miniuscule few current lower production special models or expensive exotics are lonesome exceptions. They don't amount to enough to drive a hobby of distinctive cars in the future.
So OK allow a guy with an immaculate 72 Ford LTD in your club in a class that is different than your 1926 Franklin's class. Just don't call them both unique, rare or quality autos.
I just hate when the car bigots approach me at shows and cruise-ins telling me how great they think my car is since it's so stock. There are many types of car classifications out there and I enjoy looking at them all as do most people. Bigots are true minorities and are shunned by normal people.
It's fine to have a Studebaker Lark club and exclude all other cars. Don't cry when you don't have enough money to function due to the fact that the number of Lark owners belonging to your clubs is making it difficult. Maybe it's time to merge with the Avanti club. And the Champion club finding times tough could also merge. Wait a minute! Let's have a whole Studebaker club! What are all of the national, multi-marque clubs if not what I just described? Many disiplines merging together to form one club.
People have to assess if any club, car or otherwise, is relevant to their needs at any given time. What was great in 1988 may be way off today.
Don't anyone get their panties in a bunch- the "car club" phrase shouldn't be applied to any club living or dead- it is a simply a sterile example for illustrative purposes.