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Dear Mike, (Don't know exactly what I hit to send out my last message while still typing ?)
Thank You for your reply ! Yep, my Dodge has such a handle (middle of seat) - and its as far back as possible.
My Plymouth has no such handle, which made me wonder if it was an original seat ? Not many cars up here
in Canada to compare it to - that could answer the question one way or the other.
(Thank you as well for not passing editorial comment on my 'twinkie food group choices' !)
I noticed you list a 31 Chrysler CG convertible. That's not part of this thread (I guess) - and I've never seen one of
those cars in person; but I've admired that car for years. Wow ! You are lucky ! Good for you !! Its a work of art !!
(Online pics allow us to see such things. Really, its rolling sculpture...)
Yep, subject to further comments and ideas, I may have to change the sheet metal behind the seat a bit, to move
the seat back an inch and a half perhaps - something I'm rather reluctant to do...
Peter
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Dear Mike,
Thank You for your reply ! Yep, my Dodge has such a handle (middle of seat) - and its as far back as possible.
My Plymouth has no such handle,
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I too have no idea what happened to the original poster. Maybe he did not proceed with his purchase ?
Difficult to proceed if you can't easily get in, out, or drive the car. (God forbid death or illness.)
I appreciated his post however, and have a like issue.
I have a 36 Dodge convertible, and a 36 Plymouth convertible.
I find both are 'tight' to get into - and 'tight' while driving.
The Dodge seat has an adjusting lever, the Plymouth seat does not (not sure its an original seat, but it appears so).
Neither seat goes back as far as I'd like.
I was impressed with former answers, including Gunsmoke's response with the pictured bracket. Had no idea that
type of bracket was available so long ago. However, I don't seem to have the same/similar bracket in my cars.
The pics provided by 8E45E of the Studebaker wheel etc. were also surprising and of interest. Not sure how the
adjusted Studebaker wheel does not hit the driver when the car is turned - but I am sure that I have no such s-wheel.
I've no idea what was available for Dodge along this line . Was one ever made ? Is one now available ?
My only solution is to move the entire seat back, drilling new floor holes further from the dash.
However, there is a sheet metal piece behind the front seat, which I'm reluctant to alter - preventing the seat going back
as far as I'd like. Ok, its just sheet-metal but is there a 'slick' solution short of altering that piece and re-drilling the floor ?
Yep, OK, I could stand to lose a few lbs. I meant a different solution...
Peter
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My first post mentions that 'I wish I was more knowledgeable'. That remains the case and the main problem in my trying to reply. Others will no doubt 'weigh in' - and that's good !
Three (3) fellows, all far more experienced than I, all mentioned the same thing to me:
Zinc has been removed from many, but not all modern oils; (not the case for diesel oil, like you mentioned) - and the presence of zinc helps lube and lengthen life these older engines. Its also helpful to 'break-in a rebuilt engine' of older vintage.
One of the fellows who told me of this is (now) age 84 - but was a judge (for 41 Lincolns) at Pebble Beach when he was younger and then owned a 41 Lincoln. He has owned and rebuilt more cars than I can think of. He uses a Zinc additive in the oil for the 40 Chev convertible he is just finishing restoring from a 'basket case' start. (Yep, this, at age 84. Go figure. I can't do any of this now - forget 84.) He told me where he buys his zinc additive here in Canada; also saying: "recently Shell removed the zinc from their 'Rotella' .
I looked up Rotella to find: "Rotella T6 is a Non Energy Conserving Oil, and does not meet GF-5 Oil specifications. ... Higher(content) Zinc Additives(ZDDP) are required for flat tappet engines and cartridge bearings, which In previous formulations Rotella T6 had desirable levels of Zinc(ZDDP)."
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Because of your question, I also found this article in Hemmings: < https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2012/10/18/tech-101-zinc-in-oil-and-its-effects-on-older-engines/ >
That article mentions: "When anyone mentions zinc, they are actually referring to zinc dialkyldithiophosphate, a compound invented by Castrol for use in mineral-based oils or zinc di-thiophosphate (ZDTP), which is normally used in synthetic oils. Both have been used as an anti-wear ingredient in engine oil for many years. The zinc and phosphorus ingredients appear to be most effective when they are used together. ZDDP/ZDTP is one of many additives that are put into conventional motor oil to improve its lubrication qualities. Other ingredients such as boron and molybdenum are also added as lubricant enhancers."
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Two others (independently) gave me like advice, though each suggested different sources of oils with zinc. Because their knowledge and experience are incomparably better mine I just thought: "That's good to know."
Others (including Spinneyhill) will no doubt give valuable opinions...
Peter
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Congratulations to Pete's car's - on its birthday - and to him - knowing its date of birth ! Wow. Different world then. I recall seeing pics of the guys at the factory working away, each with their (fedora type) hat on (!)
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Dear Keiser, Pete and Jim,
A 'Thank You' to each of you in turn for correcting me !
Its particularly helpful because now I'll make extra special effort to keep this specific engine in the car. I'm hopeful with a new gas tank, large fuel filter (new fuel), zinc added to the oil, rebuilt carb and the valves adjusted -- it just might start to run well ? (After measuring compression we'll see.)
(I am still tempted to add the overdrive as it helps ensure the engine will not be over-revved. I can't seem to lose that idea, because an OD helped so much with my Grandad's car... )
As to the records Jim, I'm sure you are right - I've heard the same thing repeatedly. But do you have any additional info how they were destroyed or when ? Fire ? Moved to a new place and lost ? Tornado ? Not doubting they are not around - but odd eh ? Who gets rid of something that is irreplaceable ? A fellow I know in BC keeps asking me about his vehicle - and I (rightly) tell him I haven't a clue !
Thankfully
Peter
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Update:
I earlier thought the engine number on this 36 Dodge was 112 II2403 .
Now however, I believe that Jim at 36 D2 Coupe has a much better idea.
Jim believes it likely is: " D2 112403 ". I think I'm wrong and he must be correct.
Now that Jim points it out; I can see it...
Note: There is a large “D” on the engine head at the back of the engine.
Enclosed is my best "engine #" pic. (The pic now enclosed was taken in sunshine, rather than indoors with a light.)
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Jim thought the two initial 11 - are likely both sides of a D.
He then thought that what I thought were two capital ii's - are really ones. He believes that is how they made 'one' s back then.
That would give an engine number that makes sense, whereas my earlier post gives an engine number that does not make sense.
What do others think ?
Thank You
Peter
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'Thank You' for your welcome post.
You say: My car was in a nearby home's garage, stored for almost 40 years in partially disassembled condition, and the homeowner wanted it gone. When a long-stored 80 year old Mopar in decent condition shows up a baseball's throw from your house you buy it.
Absolutely.
I smiled a bit when I read your earlier need for 'clarification'. Sadly, these days its difficult to share information with a complete stranger online. I suspect both of us are rather 'careful' in this regard - all of us have to be - its part of the 'modern world'. Odd isn't it how 'progress' - seems to make things more difficult ?
There's lots of 'scamming' going on, even on these 'car sites'. I /we certainly know this first-hand...
However, why I smiled, was mostly aimed at myself. I am quite defensive about the number of cars I've bought and continue to own ('caretake' is the better word). This is because with the skill level I possess, I probably should not have even one of them. I call the cars I own: "symbols of my stupidity" - and though this is meant partly in humour; I know that its humorous in large part because its true.
Each of our 'stories' is utterly different - and because of this - each of our stories is interesting ! Who could even guess at the other's 'story' ? I was glad to hear a bit of, a start, to your story. It starts down the pathway to knowing one another a bit better, and then, maybe 'sharing' our 'stories' ?
Its true. I was going to send you (a teasing) e-mail in reply; saying that even on "pain of death" I will never, ever, ever, disclose what I've bought - because were I to do so - you would then take my wife's side !!! Unthinkable!! Why ever would I begin to tread down THAT road ?? (The wife is actually OK with it; not ecstatic mind you. Quietly tolerant...)
The car you have is a beautiful one. I wanted one of those for many years, for reasons you could never guess. But here in Canada, they never seemed to come up, and its rare even now, when many of the older gents who loved and valued these cars are forced to part with them.
Very soon I will join their ranks, if I'm not already among them.
Now this site is about vehicles - not personal history – yet these intertwine.
In my case, my Grandad worked at Chrysler, Windsor, Ontario during the late 20's till the 1950's as a general laborer. He passed away in 1959. My Grandmother saved his 1951 Dodge - a 'Plodge' really - and I was given this car, his car in 1976, after it had sat in his garage for a long time. I really wanted to take my grandmother for a ride in his car, once I got it running and driving - but I was too late. She passed away before I could do this. Her sun glasses were still in the glovebox ! I still have this car now. ('Plodge' refers to a canadian made Plymouth with Dodge badges and grill; Jim better described it.)
For years, I wanted a "1936 Plodge" because this was the car my parents went courting in. My Dad, had to borrow HIS Dad's only car, a 1936 Plodge, to go pick up my Mom. My parents were married in 1947 - long before my grandad 'traded in' his 36, for a new 1951 Plodge; but the 36 Dodge was a meaningful car for my parents. His 36 Plodge was needed for their wedding; Later I used Grandad's 51 Plodge at my own.
Eventually, almost 30 years ago, I found a 35 Plodge up here. They very rarely came up for sale back then. I’d have preferred a 36 – but the 35 was close to the same car - and I knew if I didn’t buy the 35, I’d never see another one in time. The one I found (sadly) was 'rodded' - but - with a Mopar engine, transmission. Not my first choice (rodded), but a happy one ! I got to take my parents for a ride in it before they both passed away. My Mom even asked for 'a ride together with my Dad in the back in this car', very uncharacteristic for her. Happy, I obliged. My Dad wanted to wash the 35 Plodge. Why ? It brought back memories of him washing his Dad's car, when his Dad was alive. He told me how one had to wash the hood ornament carefully – or it could cut your hands. (Only time I ever saw my Dad cry, was when he learned of his Dad’s death. This image is forever imprinted on my memory, though I was very young.)
Even now, these cars rarely 'come up' in Canada, even as people who loved those cars are forced to sell. Few people saved 'Plodges'. But back then they just didn't come up. And now is far too late for my earlier purposes anyway.
Yes, the 35 Plodge pictured above is my car, owned now almost 30 years. I do need two taillight stands for this car, even though the ones in the picture look OK. (They are not.) They came with the car, and I’ve seen them up here on the only other 35 Plodge I’ve seen. If someone has any ideas where I might get any...
That being said, I do know of one other 35 Dodge (not Plodge, and not a 36) up here – its a DU – the fancier American made vehicle and yes, its tail-light stands are different. Similar, yet a different car.
Peter
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''Thank You' again for your replies ! Including part and rebuild sources, which eventually I'll need...
I notice that Jim (36 D2 Coupe) is from around London Ontario ? I am located (1/2 hour) north of Barrie, Ontario, but noticed this doesn’t come up when I put in a comment. Do I need to enter this somewhere ?
Jim said: "I've had our Dodge since 1966..." If I am not being too forward Jim, what Dodge(s) do YOU have ? 36 D2 Coupe for sure ? (I'd like to see it !) I'm guessing that your 36 D2 coupe was made in Windsor, Canada as well ? Do your sources provide 1936 production numbers for Canadian made coupes and convertibles ? (See below.)
Again, you provide very helpful information.
To answer your question about the 36 Dodge engine serial number, it looks to me to be:
(1)12 II2493(0)
I'll explain. Not too sure about the first and last numbers - hence the brackets. II - looks like two capital i's but what I put in (above) is the closest this computer will do. My engine pic is so blurry its useless.
(I need several hands to get a pic of the engine number; 3 hands to hold the hood without the end brackets being replaced; and two hands on the camera. My pic was blurry, I moved.)
- In my recent order with Bernbaum's I ordered a 34-36 Dodge manual, but until it arrives, I've no idea if its a photocopy; a disc needing a computer to access it (I really hope not, I should have asked); nor how many pages it is - but I need something better than my 1936- 1942 general manual. I much appreciate your reaching someone who might have this information, Jim. Thank You Very Much.
- I' tracked "knobless" on this site (excellent 'handle') - so that too was quite helpful ! Thank You !
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In my attempted research, I saw this aaca website had a post from Sept. 2014 from "1936 D2" - quoting a book called "Standard Catalogue of Chrysler 1924-1990"- which gave US (?) production numbers for 36 Dodge convertible coupe as 1,525; and (US?) production numbers for a D2 2-door R/S Coupe as 4,317. Not having this book myself, I was unsure if these numbers were US production ? Worldwide production ? North American production ? - or something else. Only two pages from it were posted online, which did not seem to have what the numbers exactly represent.
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There is a fellow (not far from you Jim) selling a Cdn made 36 Chrysler Airlflow which he says is #3 of only 8 made in Canada that year. When I met him about a year ago, I never thought to ask how he knew the exact numbers. I mention this only to support your comment about small production runs occurring in Canada - apparently not only for Canadian made Dodges. (His car remains for sale.)
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Referring to Steve9 and his overdrive comments: I rather agree ! My idea with the overdrive was to drive 60 - 65 on the highway tops; but to reduce engine RPM when I drive that speed. In the absence of overdrive, I feel I'm "beating on the car" if I drive it 60. Driving 50 is OK; 55 I suppose; faster seems a bit 'cruel to the car', at least to me ?
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I wanted to give a bit more information about this car to Jim at '36 D2 Coupe'. Enclosed is the firewall plate. I did not include it before because I don't know what information its really giving. However, Jim might better know what this plate is saying - so for his and general perusal - I post it now.
Peter
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Again: 'Thank You very much' to each and everyone who responded !
I was especially interested (yet concerned) by 'jpage' 's observations: Caution about buying new rear wheel cylinders. Dodge used stepped cylinders on the front and rear." Thank You for these comments.
Two days ago, I ordered from Bernbaum's a complete set of wheel cylinders and Master cylinder for this 36 Dodge. I pointed out to 'Ed' at Bernbaum's that I'd tried ordering wheel cylinders for a 36 Plymouth from them a few years back - and was told then that these were not available. Ed said that they were now being re-manufactured (China, I presume ?) - and were now available for $100. for each rear wheel cylinder.
I hope these are 'correct parts' for my 36 Dodge (?) If anyone wants to make further comments, please do.
Yep, I'd have checked with "mobileparts" - except I didn't know about them until their recent post. By then my Bernbaum order was complete. (Next time ?) Yet mobile parts" seems to suggest (like Bernbaum's ?) that these parts are now available, though they were not available before when I tried. Did I get this correct ?
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I was very much helped by the comments of Jim at : "36 D2 coupe". From the serial number on the pic provided below, it appears that this IS a Canadian car. (I actually thought the seller was likely mistaken.) You've answered my question ! Now if I only knew the length of the engine they put in this car back in 1936 ! I could try to match that ? (though not the serial number...)
I was intrigued by 'Pete in PA' saying: "You say that you think your 36 Dodge was built in Canada. This should be easy to establish because................ The serial number plate is attached to the front, RH door hinge pillar. Total Canadian production was very low compared to US market production. Just 6827 Canadian-built cars vs. the 265,005 built in the US. Checking the serail number plate on your Dodge will tell you exactly what you have."
How did you both know about this ?? I'd really like to know where to access such information, if you could tell me where it is available. A book ? website ? I've been told by a few people that the Canadian information is very hard come by, but again, just words albeit from well-intentioned folks. Maybe like me, they don't know where this information is available ? The old owner of the car seemed sure it was a Canadian car, but I presumed he'd simply been told this by someone or other. (?) I had no clue till these recent posts.
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Serial number on the RHS post ? I provide a pic, but I'm older. Picture a fellow going out with his BRIGHT LIGHT (that's the big thing) his glasses, magnifying glass, and his camera. Its legible (as you can see) and (thankfully) matches the ownership... (Why are people so cautious about sharing this online ? I see license plates 'blocked out' all the time, yet haven't a clue how to do this myself. Is it 'scammers' ?)
The plate on the firewall, is highly legible, in comparison. Weird. As per above posts, the car's last owner told me he had the engine replaced with an engine he had bought in Ohio, so I presume the engine number simply confirms his comments....
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I see I badly need the two little 'brackets' (one on the cowl and one on the grill surround) that hold this 36 Dodge hood in place. Need to look at mine more carefully; but they're not holding...
And yes, acknowledging the wonderful expertise of those who have replied - I rather do still need (2) 7 3/8" 1935 Plymouth tail-light housings ?!?!! If anyone has/finds/knows of any such beasts...
Peter.
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Dear Folks !
Thank You Very Much - to each and every one of you responding !!! Very Helpful !
Though I'd much like to reply to each person individually, I'm a "newbie" to this site and I'll 'mess up' just trying to reply to everyone in one message, let alone trying to respond to each person in turn as they deserve.
Let's see if I get this single message of reply posted...
It was very helpful indeed to see the picture of the 36 Engine compartment, which does look like my spacing. The comments were likewise very helpful, because they show that both my car and the pic provided were not - 'coincidence' - but instead the general consensus.
Sadly I'm getting older, and want to drive the car SOON - and want it running well sooner rather than later. (The more sensible option, was suggested by those who wrote in !) I was also helped by the brake comments. Yep, perhaps I should try to get the original brakes working - so what they are like - and go from there.
Lastly, to the helpful gent who provided the pics of his tail-light stands Thank You ! The tail-light stands I need for my 35 Plymouth, are not the same as those pictured on the 36 Dodge earlier, above. You asked for body style; there's now a pic below.
Its a different car, of which I've not posted pictures. (Sorry for the confusion.) The 35 Plymouth Tail-light
stands I need measure 7 3/8 " from Tip to start of the pot. If anyone has some - or some ideas how I could get a pair - I gratefully look forward to hearing from you...
Here is a pic of the tail-light stands I hope for; one of the car...
Peter
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I have a 1936 Dodge that looks nice, but runs badly indeed. Valves loud, etc, etc...
I'm not as knowledgeable as I wish I was.
I just bought the car here in Canada. The old owner bought the car from his brother in 1961, again, all this occurring in Canada. I'm told its a Canadian made car.
Presently it has a Mopar 23 1/2" block. Last owner told me he'd bought this engine in Ohio, years back to get the car running. This makes sense. It appears to be a US block. Surprisingly (to me) there’s about 3" space between the back of the block and the firewall. Just lifting the hood, you can easily see the bell-housing bolting to the block because of this 3" gap.
Questions:
1) What engine did this car come with originally ? How can I find this out ?
What year did they started putting the 25 1/2 block in Dodges in Canada ?
2) I have a new 25 1/2" (longer) engine I'd like to bolt in - with a (new) original 37 Borg Warner overdrive. Any advice ? Will it bolt in ? What problems should I expect ?
My guess is it may have had a 25 1/2" block originally because:
- there is that 3" gap between end of block and the firewall
- (I'm told) its a Canadian car, and the longer 25 1/2" block was almost always used in Canada.
3) Should I try using existing FRONT motor mounts altering the back Motor mounts ? Or the other way round : Move the rad forward (there's room) - using existing back motor mounts and alter front motor mounts ?
4) Anyone done this 'swap to a longer Mopar block' first hand ?
5) Lastly, brakes scare me. One chambered Master cylinder ? And I hope to put in an overdrive ? Any ideas as to how to ensure it stops reliably ? I'd like to keep existing wheels, but I want to stop.
Thanking you in advance (!!)
PS. I also need tail-light stands for a 35 Plymouth. My stands measure 7 3/8" total length tip to top. (The 'pot' is extra.)
Peter
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Wanted: (Never done this before. Tried to post this add already - don't know where it ended up.)
36 Plymouth: hood Side Panels down to the fender 45 1/2" long at the piano hinge
- (correct) split front seat - passenger interior sunvisor - Dash (correct for 36)
- “Plymouth” black and white ship 'triangular' (flat with mounting bolts.)
- clock (in glove box door)
- body side, door latch strikers with backing plates
40 Dodge: - 2 x Trunk lift supports with mounting brackets
- 2 x Jump seats (from Coupe or convertible) - or hardware for these
- clock (in glove box door)
Peter (705) 835-5350 < pdmudry@gmail.com >
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Looking for 36 Plymouth - hood side panels down to fender, 45 1/2 long at the piano hinge;
- correct split seat - passenger interior sun-visor - clock (in glove box door ? )
- correct Dash - Plymouth” black and white ship 'triangular, flat with mounting bolts
– body side strikers (door latches) with backing plates
40 Dodge Coupe : 2 x Trunk lift supports with mounting brackets
- 2 x Jump seats (from Coupe or convertible) - clock in glove box door
Peter Mudry (705) 835-5350; < pdmudry@gmail.com >
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No problem whatever. We are all 'old car guys' really aren't we ? I always very much enjoy seeing different cars.
Imagine if they were all 57 Chevs. That would: 'get stale fast'. (And I like 57 Chevs - though I'm still a 30's guy...)
Each manufacturer made great things; beautiful things; and mistakes. Not sure I should post that - but really....
I am a Mopar guy largely because my granddad worked at Chrysler's in Windsor (Canada) in the 1920's - through to the fifties
when he died. He bought only two cars in his lifetime - ones he himself had worked on at the factory.
So no "conscious choice" on my part - only family history. Two decades later, my Grandmother insisted on giving me my
Grandad's car before she died - though I had no car, no money, no driveway to put it in - and presto - I'm a Mopar guy. (??
Guess that was it.) I still have HIS car 44 years later, a Plodge. (Plymouth labeled as a Dodge. They did that in Canada.)
But I love 30's cars - though I was not born then, and saw almost none of them growing up. Inexplicable ?
Years ago I recall saying to the wife:
"I like a Buick; I like a Cadillac - but I always buy the Dodge ! I may as well give up and join the Dodge club."
She put her head down so I could not see her laughing at me. I didn't care - I deserve to be 'laughed at'. Many reasons...
Anyway, please do not apologize at all. There is absolutely no need. I now get what you were saying. My mistake.
I just looked up that car you had listed thinking: "Yep, I'll bet that's one of those I've never seen in person and will never have.
Lets have a look (online)" !! Sure enough !!
I'm not good with CG, CD, any of those designations. Not sure all what the differences are. I should look it up.
BUT, 31 Chrysler Imperial !! - 31 Chrysler CG !?! Good ones ! Good for you !
(Growing up, I always thought a 39 Buick was an especially gorgeous looking car. True confessions...)
Peter
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