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For a condenser just buy one that another 8 cylinder engine uses. Try rock auto and search for a 1930's Buick Eight cylinder or something along that line.
I would be shocked if the timing chain jumped. Its a pretty wide and heavy chain. You can pull the Queen Mary out of the ocean with it. The indent/ knob on the distributor lets you move the distributor head advancing and retarding it. The indent is for a cold weather setting moving it back toward the firewall, and a warm weather setting moving it towards the front.
Check your battery voltage and check all of your battery ground wires. A drop in voltage when cranking will rob volts from the ignition system. You can never have enough or large enough ground straps. Do you have power at the distributor? Does that car want to kick over when using starting fluid?
Go down in the forum to the Packard page. If you click on the Packard Club web page you will be directed to their site and they have a good tech tip page that you can read.
Its probably something simple, if it ran a couple of years ago it should run now.
Best of luck in getting it running again.
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Alabama Jack's on Card Sound Road?
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It’s been about 8-9 years since I was told the story of what was in the barn, but there were 6 Packards, which I guess is one of the most interesting Packard finds in the last 20 years or so.
1920 Packard twin six runabout
1922 Packard six touring car
1922 or 1924 Packard six touring car
1931 Packard 840 v windshield Rollston (picture attached)
1937 Packard 120 convertible coupe
1937 Packard Twelve convertible Victoria
I think the other cars were, which I may be wrong on were:
the Kissel gold bug, which peaked my interest, a REO Royale Convertible Coupe, an early electric car, maybe a Stanley steamer, a coupe of early brass cars like 1 and 2 cylinder REOs, and I think a 1913 Peerless roadster. There may have also been some other interesting cars jammed into the barn in the 1950’s, but those are the one I remember hearing about. From what I understand the cars in the barn were barn finds prior to being but into the barn by the McDowell brothers until they were sold off circa 2012. I think that all the cars found the proper caretakers.
In Hartford, Wisconsin there is a car museum with a lot of Kissels and is worth the visit for everyone who is local to it. They also have a gold bug on display.
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You all should watch the movie "The Art of the Steal" about the Barnes collection. There is a car connection in that he did pass away in a Packard accident.
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Another play on names, not a Victoria Coupe, but a Coupe Sedan….which Ford called a Victoria!
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Ron,
I spent 6 years on and off, mostly off, restoring your Gold bugs stable mate of 56 years… I didn’t retrieve the Packard out of the barn, but I heard all about the treasures that were stored in the barn for all of those years. I think you have a fantastic car and look forward to following your restoration.
Tim
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Did this car come out of a barn in Lake Odessa, Michigan?
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My grandfather told me that as a kid growing up in Chicago during the depression that he really did not know what poor was because everyone was poor and in the same boat. He said it was just a normal way of life back then and you would play and go about everyday life. He use to laugh when telling stories about him eating from "mystery cans". Those were donated food cans without labels so you never knew what you would be eating until you opened them. He told me that the nuns used to write on his tuition invoice "paid in full" and he didn't realize until later in life that people who were in a better off financial position were donating money to the parish even in the worst of times. In his later days grandpa would go around to the local schools and repay the favor. He use to say that people now a days don't know what poor is because you can't be poor and have a credit card, cell phone and cadillac.
My father and uncles said that grandpa never talked much about being in WW2, besides telling tall tale stories about being a Tail Gunner. I find that interesting because my grandpa use to tell me all sorts of stories about the war times. He spent most of his time on the Island of Saipan working on the airfield and filling up the B29's with fuel. Gramp's would tell stories on how some of the planes would come back pretty much blown to pieces and how he would wonder how they made it back. The ones that made it back were lucky because he said some buddies would fly off never to return. When grandpa got home to the old neighborhood he said it was kinda weird because friends and guys you knew before everyone went off to war also never returned and that you would hear the gossip of what happened to them..... Grandpa was never fond of politicians with their wars and the corresponding loss of life.
My grandfather lived to the ripe old age of 97 and he use to tell me that when you live long enough you seen it all. I guess during his years he did experience a lot of history, events (both good and bad) and advances in society.
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1932 Packard 900 semi custom club sedan
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3 hours ago, edinmass said:
Problem is was it a real chassis, or floor sweepings? Whatever it was, it’s still around. Today, the name of the game is all numbers matching. Lots of cars are being unscrambled now.........including some big boy toys that got bastardized back in the 50’s and 60’s.
I have a friend with a J. Recently he was contacted to check the crankshaft number on it. Another J owner is trying to unscramble his car and thought the crankshafts might have been swapped back in the day between the 2 engines.
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On 6/3/2021 at 6:19 PM, alsancle said:
I need to get the radiator shell and hoods on my Stutz so it can go get its engine dropped in. More work than you would think. More work than I thought.
Nothing fits, even though it all came apart at one point...
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I see that you are also into collecting red gas cans...how many times have you or your dad run out of gas and you have had to buy another new one at the nearest gas station?
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Original poster is talking about convertible top fabric. Black on the outside, tan on the inside. There has been shortages in top and interior fabric from the usual supply houses. People restoring cars are running into this problem at the current time.
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1935 Lincoln K.
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On 5/11/2021 at 12:16 PM, edinmass said:
The downdraft carb was a mid year upgrade.........as was the transmission. I think the 900 has synchro's in all of them. I have ours with the updraft and crash box, as it was one of the first 904's built but I do have the downdraft and synchro trans ready to go when we are done showing it...........legend is quite a few went back for the upgrade. I didn't realize the 900 was a platform they lost money on.........guess I need to read my Packard books again.
Like I said.......if it's Pierce, I can quote things as well as the factory back in the day, Packard...not so much. BUT I have driven them all, and I still say the 904 is the best platform Packard ever made.........for my money. 👍
I'll be at Amelia for lunch all next week. Lets say Wednesday at 12:30 in the private dining room on the 12th floor at the Ritz? 🤑 Works good for me because it comes with my room..........that way none of us lose the bet........
Just did the math, using a 1932 900 and a 1932 904 sedan as a comparison. The 900 weighs 4,115 pounds and has 110 hp making 37.4 pounds per horsepower. The 904 weighs 5,195 pounds and has 135 hp making 38.48 pounds per horsepower. So the 900 is a little lighter on its feet... with a downdraft carburetor upgrade each engine gains 10 hp so it’s a wash.
Base price of the 900 sedan was $1,750, the 904 sedan was $4,150 making the 904 2.37 times more expensive than the 900.
The 1,080 pound variance between the two really makes the difference in the handling and driving experience, the price variance both then and now makes a difference in your pocketbook!
Shall we talk about windshield height next?
What would be the comparison numbers for the Pierce Arrow in 1932?
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You can get a core from Universal Carnegie Manufacturing out of Pennsylvania if you give them the dimensions.
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FYI- There is a link to the Packard Club website which you will find on the forum. There is a "Tech Tip" section on the left hand side of their web page with some good pointers.
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Did you check the water distribution tube behind the water pump? It may be rotted out and the rear of the engine might not be getting proper water flow to it. Since you have a newer radiator core with good flow I would rule the radiator out at this time. I know that you checked the fuel and ignition system already but check it again.There are two jets in that carb that each feed 4 cylinders and one of them may be getting clogged causing half of the engine to run lean sometimes. Make sure the distributor is working properly, that the weights are advancing, and check the spark plug wires and make sure the fittings are nice and tight and also check the condition of the spark plugs. A fouled out spark plug can cause you to run hot. You might want to do a quick compression test just to verify that you have consistent compression. If you have a digital thermometer check various spots on the radiator, cylinder head and exhaust manifold.
The 1937 120 is a fine car and it should give you a lot of trouble free miles once tuned in. Packard would not have sold a bunch of 120's in 1937 if it was a temperamental car.
Good luck.
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5 hours ago, edinmass said:
Having driven several 900’s.........and where is the 1932 904? The BIG eight? We have one, and I have driven it hundreds of miles. I can tell you there is NO comparison. The 904 with the Stromberg downdraft and synchro transmission will eat the 900 for breakfast. And for fastest speed number on the chart.........I’m certain the 904 will easily hit 100 mph. I’m guessing the 904 horsepower is in the 145 area.............in my humble opinion, having driven every packard platform from 1927 to 1941 the 904 is the BEST overall chassis. I prefer it over our 1108’s. I actually own the 900 and Twin Six advertising portfolio sent to the New York Times for both cars introductions......including clip art, articles from engineering in design of the platforms, multiple ad layout instructions, ect. There are over 100 pieces in the portfolio. Not in one instance does the 900 info compare it to Packards other offerings. Your chart doesn’t show a 1932 900 horsepower output..........for a reason. It was certainly a fraction of a 1932 904. If you want, get a 1932 900 and we can run them side by side.......you will be buying lunch.
As far as a 900 vs a Twin Six, the twelve is probably 30 percent heavier, and as a first year offering certainly not as powerful as the later larger displacement V-12. In fit, finish, and style the 900 cant touch it. And I doubt in mid range and top end the 900 would probably not be close behind. I have driven two 1932 Twin Six cars..........and I certainly don’t remember them to be lacking in power or acceleration. I expect others here will have horsepower values for all of Packards offerings in 1932. It will be interesting to see apples to apples.
One last note........as a Pierce guy, and particularly a Pierce V-12 guy.......the Packard 904 is one of the top pre war platforms on the planet in 1932 for power and speed. The 904 Packard is faster and more powerful than the 1932 Pierce.......mostly because in 1932 Pierce went smaller on the eight displacement to intentionally make it have less horsepower that the two different V-12 they were offering. Besides a Model J, the 904 Packard is probably the fastest and most powerful eight offered in America that year.
PS- I think the 900 Packard from 1932 is a very nice car.........a mid range car, it wasn’t built to compete with Packards bigger offerings.......but in the long run, the small series Packards is what put the first nail in the coffin of Packard Motor Cars. By the time the 120 came out they were selling a much lower end and lessor product than the senior cars.......eventually it ruined the prestige and reputation of Packard from a superior super premium luxury car to just another car. I’m certain others will chime in and disagree..........but I stand by my comments.
Half and hour later:
A quick look shows the 1932 Series 900 at 319 cid displacement, and the 904 at 384.5 cid. That’s a twenty five percent difference...........and horsepower of the 900 is posted in several places as 110, and the 904 is listed in a range from 135 to 145 depending on sources..........so 140 is a fair average and a decent guess. The Twin Six was rated at 160 horsepower in 1932, and I’m guessing it was higher in 1933. From what I read, the 900 series was killed off in 33 because of complaints from the dealers.......but I’m not familiar with the nuances of Packards form year to year as far as sales per unit. Take it all in, and the 904 is the best platform in 1932 for driving and performance. The prestige of the Twin Six can’t be discounted...........overall 1932 a Packards lineup was impressive..........but the 900 was a red headed stepchild.
I’ll work up the power to weight ratio of both the 900 and 904 later today. The 900 has 110hp, the 904 has 135hp. Let’s not cheat with the downdraft carb... My friend has a 904 so I’ll ask him if we can do a side by side performance comparison with the 900 in the near future. I think the 900 also accounted for 60% of the sales in 1932 so it couldn’t have been that much of a disaster in the period, besides the factory losing money on every one they built.
It can be argued that Packard went downstream in 1922 with the single six....
I would enjoy seeing the literature you have. It should also be stated that the 900 was Jessie Vincents pet project, and that he had Werner Gubitz , Packards head designer draw it up. Gubitz previously worked for Dietrich-
What’s for lunch and whose paying? Should we both have are credit cards ready?
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In regards to the 900 performance, I have period info somewhere in the house showing that the only Packard the 900 did not out perform in 1932 was the twin six roadster. The attached picture shows the 900 performance compared to other Packard standard eight cars.
I would be willing to bet a lunch that the 900 could hold its own in a race against a 904. On a road track I would even bet dinner and drinks also. Would be a fun challenge if we could make it happen! I don’t have any experience with a Pierce so I can not comment on there performance.As you can tell I’m a 900 enthusiast. If anyone wants info on these cars let me know and I’ll share the literature that I have.
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1932 Lincoln KB. Interesting double entry door set up. Would be neat to see how it worked.
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The 1932 light eight is probably the finest and best driving, and maybe the quickest model that Packard up that point in time. This car is a little high on price for what it is. It would look better without all of the clutter on the front bumper and without the driving lights and extra set of mirrors. It would probably look better with black wall tires. Hope it finds a good home.
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Ferrari F40
Dodge Viper 1992-1994
Invicta 4 1/2 litre low chassis
Duesenberg Model J. Any would do, but prefer J461
1932 Packard 900
1932-1934 packard Dietrich. Any body style.
Packard twin six
Locomobile brass era model 48
1930 packard 745 roadster
Jaguar xke
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Looking for a set of 180 hubcaps in nice condition. Anyone have any spares?
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PreWar Mercedes Benz
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