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  1. On 5/11/2021 at 12:16 PM, edinmass said:

     

     

    The downdraft carb was a mid year upgrade.........as was the transmission. I think the 900 has synchro's in all of them. I have ours with the updraft and crash box, as it was one of the first 904's built but I do have the downdraft and synchro trans ready to go when we are done showing it...........legend is quite a few went back for the upgrade. I didn't realize the 900 was a platform they lost money on.........guess I need to read my Packard books again.

     

    Like I said.......if it's Pierce, I can quote things as well as the factory back in the day, Packard...not so much. BUT I have driven them all, and I still say the 904 is the best platform Packard ever made.........for my money. 👍

     

     

    I'll be at Amelia for lunch all next week. Lets say Wednesday at 12:30 in the private dining room on the 12th floor at the Ritz? 🤑 Works good for me because it comes with my room..........that way none of us lose the bet........

    Just did the math, using a 1932 900 and a 1932 904 sedan as a comparison. The 900 weighs 4,115 pounds and has 110 hp making 37.4 pounds per horsepower. The 904 weighs 5,195 pounds and has 135 hp making 38.48 pounds per horsepower. So the 900 is a little lighter on its feet... with a downdraft carburetor upgrade each engine gains 10 hp so it’s a wash.

     

    Base price of the 900 sedan was $1,750, the 904 sedan was $4,150 making the 904 2.37 times more expensive than the 900.

     

    The 1,080 pound variance between the two really makes the difference in the handling and driving experience, the price variance both then and now makes a difference in your pocketbook!

     

    Shall we talk about windshield height next?

     

    What would be the comparison numbers for the Pierce Arrow in 1932?

     

     

     

  2. Did you check the water distribution tube behind the water pump? It may be rotted out and the rear of the engine might not be getting proper water flow to it. Since you have a newer radiator core with good flow I would rule the radiator out at this time. I know that you checked the fuel and ignition system already but check it again.There are two jets in that carb that each feed 4 cylinders and one of them may be getting clogged causing half of the engine to run lean sometimes.  Make sure the distributor is working properly, that the weights are advancing, and check the spark plug wires and make sure the fittings are nice and tight and also check the condition of the spark plugs.  A fouled out spark plug can cause you to run hot. You might want to do a quick compression test just to verify that you have consistent compression. If you have a digital thermometer check various spots on the radiator, cylinder head and exhaust manifold.

     

    The 1937 120 is a fine car and it should give you a lot of trouble free miles once tuned in. Packard would not have sold a bunch of 120's in 1937 if it was a temperamental car.

     

    Good luck.

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  3. 5 hours ago, edinmass said:

    Having driven several 900’s.........and where is the 1932 904? The BIG eight? We have one, and I have driven it hundreds of miles. I can tell you there is NO comparison. The 904 with the Stromberg downdraft and synchro transmission will eat the 900 for breakfast. And for fastest speed number on the chart.........I’m certain the 904 will easily hit 100 mph. I’m guessing the 904 horsepower is in the 145 area.............in my humble opinion, having driven every packard platform from 1927 to 1941 the 904 is the BEST overall chassis. I prefer it over our 1108’s. I actually own the 900 and Twin Six advertising portfolio sent to the New York Times for both cars introductions......including clip art, articles from engineering in design of the platforms, multiple ad layout instructions, ect. There are over 100 pieces in the portfolio. Not in one instance does the 900 info compare it to Packards other offerings. Your chart doesn’t show a 1932 900 horsepower output..........for a reason. It was certainly a fraction of a 1932 904. If you want, get a 1932 900 and we can run them side by side.......you will be buying lunch.

     

    As far as a 900 vs a Twin Six, the twelve is probably 30 percent heavier, and as a first year offering certainly not as powerful as the later larger displacement V-12. In fit, finish, and style the 900 cant touch it. And I doubt in mid range and top end the 900 would probably not be close behind. I have driven two 1932 Twin Six cars..........and I certainly don’t remember them to be lacking in power or acceleration. I expect others here will have horsepower values for all of Packards offerings in 1932. It will be interesting to see apples to apples. 
     

    One last note........as a Pierce guy, and particularly a Pierce V-12 guy.......the Packard 904 is one of the top pre war platforms on the planet in 1932 for power and speed. The 904 Packard is faster and more powerful than the 1932 Pierce.......mostly because in 1932 Pierce went smaller on the eight displacement to intentionally make it have less horsepower that the two different V-12 they were offering. Besides a Model J, the 904 Packard is probably the fastest and most powerful eight offered in America that year. 
     

    PS- I think the 900 Packard from 1932 is a very nice car.........a mid range car, it wasn’t built to compete with Packards bigger offerings.......but in the long run, the small series Packards is what put the first nail in the coffin of Packard Motor Cars. By the time the 120 came out they were selling a much lower end and lessor product than the senior cars.......eventually it ruined the prestige and reputation of Packard from a superior super premium luxury car to just another car. I’m certain others will chime in and disagree..........but I stand by my comments.

     

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    A quick look shows the 1932 Series 900 at 319 cid displacement, and the 904 at 384.5 cid.  That’s a twenty five percent difference...........and horsepower of the 900 is posted in several places as 110, and the 904 is listed in a range from 135 to 145 depending on sources..........so 140 is a fair average and a decent guess.  The Twin Six was rated at 160 horsepower in 1932, and I’m guessing it was higher in 1933. From what I read, the 900 series was killed off in 33 because of complaints from the dealers.......but I’m not familiar with the nuances of Packards form year to year as far as sales per unit. Take it all in, and the 904 is the best platform in 1932 for driving and performance. The prestige of the Twin Six can’t be discounted...........overall 1932 a Packards lineup was impressive..........but the 900 was a red headed stepchild. 

    I’ll work up the power to weight ratio of both the 900 and 904 later today. The 900 has 110hp, the 904 has 135hp. Let’s not cheat with the downdraft carb... My friend has a 904 so I’ll ask him if we can do a side by side performance comparison with the 900 in the near future.  I think the 900 also accounted for 60% of the sales in 1932 so it couldn’t have been that much of a disaster in the period, besides the factory losing money on every one they built. 
     

    It can be argued that Packard went downstream in 1922 with the single six....

     

    I would enjoy seeing the literature you have. It should also be stated that the 900 was Jessie Vincents pet project, and that he had Werner Gubitz , Packards head designer draw it up. Gubitz previously worked for Dietrich-

     

    What’s for lunch and whose paying? Should we both have are credit cards ready?

     

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  4. In regards to the 900 performance, I have period info somewhere in the house showing that the only Packard the 900 did not out perform in 1932 was the twin six roadster. The attached picture shows the 900 performance compared to other Packard standard eight cars. 

    I would be willing to bet a lunch that the 900 could hold its own in a race against a 904. On a road track I would even bet dinner and drinks also. Would be a fun challenge if we could make it happen! I don’t have any experience with a Pierce so I can not comment on there performance.

     

    As you can tell I’m a 900 enthusiast. If anyone wants info on these cars let me know and I’ll share the literature that I have. 

     

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  5. The 1932 light eight is probably the finest and best driving, and maybe the quickest model that Packard up that point in time. This car is a little high on price for what it is. It would look better without all of the clutter on the front bumper and without the driving lights and extra set of mirrors. It would probably look better with black wall tires. Hope it finds a good home.

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  6. Ferrari F40

    Dodge Viper 1992-1994

    Invicta 4 1/2 litre low chassis 

    Duesenberg Model J. Any would do, but prefer J461

    1932 Packard 900

    1932-1934 packard Dietrich. Any body style.

    Packard twin six

    Locomobile brass era model 48

    1930 packard 745 roadster

    Jaguar xke

     

     

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  7. Wanted-

    -light eight 17 inch wire wheels.

    -optional rear bumper bar for rear spare mount car

    -900 cylinder head.

    - any other light eight parts which you may have?

    -has anyone ever heard of a custom body or semi custom body light eight? Packard listed chassis only in factory literature.

     

     

  8. On 4/24/2021 at 10:01 PM, edinmass said:

    Got about another hundred miles on the White today. It’s now so familiar that driving a 104 year old car seems routine. Was able over the last week to determine the oil consumption of the car........just under one quart per 100 miles. Not too bad considering it’s all factory parts internally. She smokes blue at warm idle......not bad, but enough to let you know it’s pre WWI. We’re back to Rec90 fuel.......and it’s obviously likes it better. More analysis on the car coming soon.........Ed

      How much gas did you guzzle per mile on your trip? I'm guessing 6.8 mpg. I'm ot too surprised on the old consumption. In an old Packard manual of the era I recall them raving on how the car used only 1 gallon per 500 miles of driving. 

  9. 1 hour ago, West Peterson said:

     

    I was talking about Jim Debickero several weeks ago. We were all wondering about his health, or even if he was still with us. The discussion we had about him revolved around a 1937 SS-100 that he bought in Minneapolis around 1962. The car recently resurfaced and its very interesting history was revealed.

    Here's the car when my dad had it, and the last photo is just before restoration started ab out a year ago.

     

     

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    Yes, he is in excellent shape. He lives near me and was hanging out with me last night when I was working in the garage.  

  10. 3 minutes ago, edinmass said:


     

    I have been lucky enough to beat the snot out of one of these...............wasn’t impressed. And it was the special with the neat carb set up. Actually ran it against a 120 Jag. Pasadena hasn’t been the same since. Going through the In and Out Burger, Priceless! 
     

    Such is the insane world I live in.

    I understand that this was a total rattle box. 

  11. 9 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:

    Any period photos of his ownership of the Duesenberg J 437 Weymann 'taper-tail' among those photos?  We'd love to see them!

    In a race down a straight line I think I would take the Duesenberg....but then again I could have fun with either one of them.

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    Just beat up old race cars. Do you think that the cars had ashtrays?

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  12. 27 minutes ago, alsancle said:




    Jim Debikero?

    yes. He gave me some old pictures over the weekend. Incredible cars and stories. He told me how he raced his 540 k special roadster against the Model J 437 Weymann tapertail in the early 1960's on a country road. Said the engine sounds and exhaust notes that the cars made under full throttle is a sound you never forget. He later bought the tapertail for $20k..... It is interesting seeing amazing cars and hearing how the cars were driven and enjoyed when they were just used up old cars.

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  13. 1 hour ago, alsancle said:


    is that from a magazine?

    My friend Jim took the picture when he owned it. Picture was in frame when he gave it to me. Before arriving in Chicago the car came of of Ireland and was owned by a man named Desmond Fitzgerald. In later years this car was painted bright red and given whitewalls and chrome wires wheels.

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