thanks for all the input. I do have the Oakland Pontiac Manual, and have read it several times. I just can't seem to get the brakes to work like I think they should. I do not have Midland Steeldraulic brakes they are banded brakes as stated in the book. They mention a rounding tool, I know what it looks like but not how to use it. I had the brakes all relined several weeks ago and the hubs turned, it seemed to work for a little bit but then I had to start pushing harder and harder on the brakes to stop. Now I have all the wheels off checking seals and ready to adjust them one more time. I guess I haven't found the secret yet.