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One thing I have noticed in the past G/N at Moline and the past G/Nationals in other years is something should
be done to Class 36B. It is by far the class that has the most entries for most of the meets. I believe this class should be
broken down by more years(Add more classes). There was a total of 18 entries in this class; roughly 1/2 going for first place and the other
half going for Senior. All the other classes in the 30 or above had very small number of entries; sometimes even one
in number. I would assume one of the Judging Guidlines would be to make all classes as fair as possible. Just by looking
at the types of cars in the class one has to wonder what a 61 Chevy Impala has in common with a 1969 Camaro. It
does not make sense to me. I am not sure how to take this up with whoever writes the rules/classes in the Judging
Guidelines Book that comes out every year. Perhaps R W Burgess can comment how this should be done. Of course I
would like more comments from the members on this subject. Thanks in advance-Larry
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Will the AACA or the MVR offer a CD for the pictures they took? I noticed in the past this is offered from time to time at meets.
Thanks; Larry
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The following is for the G/N Meet just held in Moline IL.
I know in Class Judging you can request a summary of your scoring sheet from the VP/Class Judging showing the areas of deduction for your car following a meet. I have just sent my request in to Hulon McCraw. I'm sure he is real busy now with the requests. My Question:
What is the normal turn around time to get the request? Thanks in Advance-Larry
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Larry, Are you a member of the SYC site? A couple of guys posted photos of the cars in 36b. Yours is posted, Go here AACA GN Meet - The Supercar Registry Bulletin Board
Tom: Thanks for the neat info. No not member of that one but on the CRG Board and various others like NCRS Discussion board. There are pictures of
our cars all over the internet. Have nice discussion going on with the NCRS on the Bloomington Gold in Champaign vs. AACA G/N in Moline. Lots of
pictures there also. Have the S/S Chamber Muffler on now (Got from Allens Exhaust); looks real nice and a lot more quiet. Now we have to start cleaning
the car after that horrible rain. OK; nice talking to you; we will catch you down the line. Larry P.S. Will you contact the AACA to get scoring info from the
meet??
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Good information, thanks. I was in class 36b at Moline too, wish I could have met you. Which car did you have in the class?
Hello Tom: Yes wish I could have met you also; next time around. I must have been on the far side with the 69 Hugger Orange Z28. Our class
was the biggest there. Some real nice cars in our class. That rain made for a long day; didn't it? Will take a week to clean the underneath of it. Larry
P.S. Found out the hard way that one of my chamber pipe back mufflers was bad(Had rusted out from the inside out) which they cought in judging. We put a S/Steel one today; should
last a lifetime. FYI
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I think those conversions must have been approved by GM, weren't they covered by a warranty? If GM had not approved the car it would have voided the warranty. Anyway, they are not an issue in AACA, class 36B list the qualified cars and 1967 to 1969 Chevelle, Camaro & Nova Yenko 4V/427 cid are approved vehicles for the class. Class 36g includes the 1970 thru 1972 Yenko's
real61ss: Just a footnote on the above. Talked to the Yenko owners in my class(36B) at Moline this weekend and as I understand it is that the 69 Camaro
Yenko's where actually COPO cars ordered from Chevy so the engines where installed at the factory so the GM warrenty was like any other GM car. When
the car arrived at Yenko Dealership he put on the strips an all the emblems, wheels and etc. It was a different story though for the 67 and 68's as he did
R/R the engines and the warrenty was put out by him not GM. Thanks-Larry
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Boy what a meet. Thanks to the MVR that did a heck of a job. Had a great time and a note to the MVR: Next meeting; start planning another
national event now!!! Larry
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Took this interesting story from the NCRS (My other club) that was put there by Joe Lucia.:
Son of Original Small Block" Lives On!
As most know, the original Chevrolet small block first introduced in 1955 was last installed in a Corvette for the 1996 model year,albeit in Gen II form. The Gen II "died" for all PRODUCTION use afterthe 1997 model year. The Gen I lived on for a few more years in some trucks but was phased out for all PRODUCTION use in favor of the "LS" seriesengines. The Gen I small block is still manufactured in Toluca, Mexico, but only for SERVICE and MARINE use.
All the while, the 4.3L V-6 which is the 6 cylinder version of the original Gen I small block continued to be manufactured and used in S-10 pick-ups as well as the base engine for most GM full size pick-ups. I always figured its days were numbered, especially after GM introduced the DOHC, in-line "Atlas"series 4, 5, and 6 cylinder engines for use in pick-up trucks. I figured the intent was to phase the "Atlas" engines in and the old 4.6L V-6 out
Well, the 6 cylinder "Atlas" engine went out-of-production a few years ago but the 4.3L V-6, "son of the original small block", livedon. Now, the 4.3L V-6 has been greatly updated for the 2014 model year withdirect injection and cylinder deactivation plus, I understand, all aluminum block and heads. It will produce 285 HP and 305 LB/FT of torque.
So, while the original small block V-8 is long-gone from PRODUCTION vehicles, it's "son" has a new lease on life and has, apparently, vanquished the engine that I believe was intended to be its successor, the 6 cylinder DOHC "Atlas" engine. This all means that the basic small block architecture in 6 cylinder form lives on into the future almost 60 years after it was first introduced!
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MCHinson:
Thank you ever so much; respect your response. No I'm not a judge for AACA but I am for other organizations. Getting back for the original question from
red66malibu: Hope this fellow does OK but all I am saying is that Cold Plenum Air Cleaner was never a RPO probably (I'm Guessing) due to the fact it
was a High Preformance Part that was not made for the everyday Chevelle. I suspect it had no previsons for Ice and Snow and the normal weather and
that's why Chevy never made it a RPO. Chevelles where sold in Alaska as we know. But certainly a dealer could buy it from GM and do whatever he wanted to do with it or if the customer demanded to be put on. There is no authorization pro or con from GM; all they cared about was selling the part period. Anyway I have
said enough on the subject--Thanks-Larry
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If the factory authorized those dealer built cars, they would be perfectly OK in AACA Judging. I know very little about those, but I suspect that factory documentation to show that those were "factory authorized" would be very difficult to obtain.
Boy I hate to start on this again; but----The factory did not "authorize" the dealers to do this; they done this upon themselves.
By changing the wording from the 2006 guide I believe whoever done this has openned up a big can of worms. Here is typical
example: The 1970(Chevelle) LS6 450 HP could not come with A/C from the factory; Chevy advised against is due to the higher redline
of the engine. (A/C Compressor could not keep up). But I have seen Dealers still put it in with all GM parts after the car was
delivered. Now where would this car stand in Judging? It has all ducumented parts from GM and can be proven?? Comments
Please. Larry P.S. AFAIK there is no such ducumention to prove "authorization" that a certain part is for a certain model.
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I don't have my 2006 manual here but I think you will find that it goes on to say that any accessory or option that was available for that model in that model year is acceptable whether the car in question left the factory with those options or not. AACA does not check VINs or compare window stickers to what is actually on the car. If the car could have come from the factory or if the dealer could have equipped the car as presented there is no deduction, assuming all options are factory authorized. I don't see any lowering of standards. A factory authorized option was always accepted whether or not it was originally on the car presented for judging. Non factory authorized options were not accepted. Nothing has changed.
Restorer32: OK thanks for response. If that's what it is will have to live with it. Like this forum because of different opinions come about. Enjoy belonging
to the AACA. Thanks again; Larry
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The 2006 Judging Guideline stated on page 1 under General Policy..."The objective of AACA judging is to evaluate an antique vehicle which has been restored to the same state as when the dealer received it from the factory". The 2013 Judging Guideline states on page 1 under General Policy.... " The objective of AACA judging is to evaluate an antique vehicle, which has been restored to the same state as the dealer could have prepared the vehicle for delivery to the customer." I see those two statements as a major difference, I'm sorry we have hi-jacked the cowl induction thread but this is worth discussing.
real61ss: Yes I see it now; don't agree with it though. I guess we are getting a lot like the politicians in that: If we don't have enough people to make the
standard then will just lower the standards. Thanks
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Which probably now more easily covers the 2X4 barrels carburators that were in the trunk of the new Camaros, was it, as they came off the delivery truck?
R W Burgess: That an old wives tale. According to everything I have researched the above never did happen. The only way
you could get the above was "over the counter". This has been varified with a letter from GM which is in the "Jerry McNeish"
book. Jerry is the probably most known authority for 1st Gen Camaro's. Also varified by CRG (Camaro Research Group).
If someone would show up with the 2 X 4 setup it is a non-factory RPO. --Larry
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Larry,
Please don't think I'm being augurmentative but the rule book has been changed this year, it no longer reads "as received by the dealer from the factory". The new rule book reads....The objective of AACA judging is to evaluate an antique vehicle, which has been restored to the same state as the dealer could have prepared the vehicle for delivery to the customer. This includes any feature, option or accessory shown in the original factory catalog, parts book, sales literature, or company directives for the model year of the vehicle.
The way I read the above, the factory no longer had to build the car, so long as the car or part was available through the dealer it is acceptable as long as it can be documented as being available.
real61ss: You are not being augumentative; we are just trying to express our "interpetation" of the rules. If in fact you
are correct this opens up a lot of gray area's with the rules. I hope it is not true as this would take a lot out of the meaning
of "original" cars. I hope someone could clear this up. People will start showing up with exhaust "headers" which in fact
had a GM part number for certain cars like the Corvette. My meaning of original still stays the same-It has to be built that
way from the factory to qualify. JMHO Larry
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The item may be shown in the assembly manual, if not it should have a GM part number or a Chevrolet Tech Bulletin may have been generated to announce it's availablity. There has to be some type of documentation from Chevrolet if the part was available.
real61ss: Thanks for the response. But the way I see it is: "Part being available" is different from "Part being installed at the Factory when car was built"
Thanks-Larry
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Just be sure to bring your documentation with you to the show. There is another '66 Chevelle that has reached Grand National Sr. in AACA with the cowl induction. Shouldn't be a problem
real61ss:
Just curious; what possible documentation could he bring when the item in question was not a (RPO) "Regular Production Option".
Sounds to me there is no gray area here. Thanks-Larry
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I have a 66 Chevelle SS 396 with the 375 HP option.
I have installed a Cowl Plenum Air cleaner on the car.
The part was not factory installed but could have been
bought from GM in 66. Would this be a point deduction
since it was not factory installed.
Thank you!!
red66malibu:
I'm no judge but the way the judging manual reads if it was not installed at the factory there will be a deduction. There
are exceptions like if safety is involved.(eg. turn signals) If this is not correct please someone advise. Thanks Larry
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Just some new info; MVR has now posted a "Blow UP" of the show field. Participates can
now see exactly where they will park for the classes. These guys/gals think of everything.
My hats off to them again! Larry
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Steve beat me to it.
But here is the reply from Jack. 
"Hello Susan,
The Round Table will be at the iwireless Center at 1:00 pm on Friday June 28.
We missed that one in the brochure.
Jack"
Thanks to all for the response; hope to be there-Larry
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Thought I would ask these question on this forum first. I see on the Grand National at Moline IL show schedule the following:
1PM on Friday the 28th there is a "AACA Round Table Discussion". It does not indicate where this will be held. I assume it will
either be at the "i-wireless center" or at the "Stoney Creek Inn" which is the Meet Headquarters. Does anybody know where it
will be held? Also I have never attended one the these; can any member attend? What would be the difference between the
"Round Table Discussion" vs. "Judges School" which I have attended before. Thanks in advance-Larry
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Hi,
I have owned a 69 Z28 for 13 years and am hoping to finally do some work on it. I would really appreciate some help in understanding/decoding some of the codes on the Chassis Broadcast Copy that was removed from above the fuel tank some time ago. Sorry, no Build Sheet was located in the car. The Chassis sheet is in poor shape but there is enough info on it to make me feel confident the car is a real Z28. Here are the codes I need help with:
Trans type:4 I assume this means 4 speed
Trans shift: F I assume this means floor shift
Trans:XF Help!
Steering Gear: AG Help
Air Cleaner: 07 Help
If I am incorrect with the trans type and shift, please let me know also.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Larry
ZenMaster: I also have a 69 Z28; believe you would get way better detail and answers on this topic at-CRG Discussion Forum - Index
They are a great group and specialize in 1st Gen Camaro's--Larry
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Just want to compliment the MVR for the great work they are doing for this years Grand National in Moline IL. They are keeping
everybody informed with updates and now have even got all the "Vehicles By Class" on their Webpage. Special thanks to Jack
Kirik (Meet Chairman) and Jim and Kay Scott (Registration) I'm really looking forward in participating. Bottom Line: These guys
are organized and take this meet very serious!! Thanks-Larry
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Hi all,
Mecum Auctions will hold their Bloomington Gold 2013 on June 29 in Illinois, starring some of the finest Corvettes on the market:
1967 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible stars at Bloomington Gold 2013
Also starring is Gus Grissom's Corvette, which was last sold at Scottsdale in January. Quick turnaround for a tidy profit?
Joe
Joe: Do you know if they will run the cars through the Assembly Hall or will they do it under a big tent? I do know
it is not televised. Larry
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I have been an AACA member for about 10 years and thoroughly enjoy attending a few of the larger shows. I try to take several photos at each show I attend and find myself often asking vehicle owners for a little extra information that is not on the windshield cards. Is there some way that series names or model numbers, such as Special Deluxe or Model 43 or Series 61, etc. could be added to the cards. I hate to bother the owners asking them what the model number of their vehicle is but I also hate playing a guessing game with my photos when I get home. I mentioned this to West a few years ago and he seemed to agree with me and I mentioned it to a few people at Carlisle and they all seemed to agree with me.
I pretty well know most of the model names for cars manufactured in the fifties such as 210, Fairlane, Fury, etc but the thirties are not as easy for me to figure out. Is this a problem for other members or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill?
john2dameron: I agree 100%; more info the better. As long as we are making wishes for the club; lets add a "operations test"(lights,horns,blinkers-nothing major) to judging. If not for all meets
then for the Grand National Meet. Comments Please--Larry
But here is the reply from Jack. 
Number of entries in the various classes seem to be very inconsistent; here is one idea.
in AACA - Class Judging
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Matthew: Thanks for the response. Here is the way I look at it. If there is a super huge class like 36b seems to be at every meet then the chances of
someone shown up with a recent -over the top- restoration is far greater than most other classes. In most cases that would bring a score very close to
perfect or close to it. Say it scores 97%; so a lot of the cars will clear the hurdle of 380 points but will not come close to the 5 Point rule. Where in a lot
of other classes with only 1 or 2 entries they will "skate" in with just a little over the 380 minimun rule. Just seems that some of the classes are far easier
to achieve their objectives then 36B.JMHO--Larry