Bud Tierney
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Google Petroliana---a couple of old gas station/service stations sites should come up that incude old pumps
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Just to s show the discrepancies in these old reference sources, a Shurhit catalog agrees on 34, but shows no coil bracket , says IGP4001 A and B some on 35 with a different coil. for 36 shows 4001B only,
Points, cap, totor , Cond same on all, 35/36 have same coil.bracket...
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Unless I missed it in reviewing the thread, I don't see any info re' history...
Is this a running car that suddenly quit on you???
If so, fif it develop any running problems before ir quit completely??
Or id this a barn or field car, not run for ???years, that you;re trying to resurrect to drive home??
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As already mentioned above, assuming these are auto/truck/tractor starters, the application could be important...
Whether US/NA/Euro or whatever, the application could permit those with the appropriate area/period ignition catalogs to find other applications using your assemblies, thereby broadening your search...
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The old Motor car manuals had distributor info---my 46 has 662s bu beginning with J...an older issue might cover....
You should also try the Pre-War Buick forum in the Buick section below, hoping someone will have period dist info...
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Does your distributor has an ID tag???
If nothing turns up try adding it for those who might have a box of dist and/or caps on the shelf in the basement..
You might also appeal for anyone having an old ignition catalog covering the period to eyebal ltheirr catalog, which might show which othr makes used yours, or close enough that a cap would work...
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lways wondered about the letter differences; assumes, as you said, each designed for different engine...
But would one work on a temporary basis??
I assume long term use could result in engine damage, similar to CerbKings caotion here about putting om any carb that fits...
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Mroz Truck Tncy has a squib, lists as 1910-11, says the Wagon Co built a new factory in 1910 just to build the trucks (Schurmeier Motor Car Co. per Georgano's little book). 1, 2 and 3 ton models were built,, states production for the two years was 100 vehicles, but gave no model spread and has no picture
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I can personally highjy recommend these for anyone interested in older engines...I have a 1936 and a 40 or 41; the 1936, while not covering everything, is one of the first I pull out when something comes up...
Both are dated by month, as if one came out monthly..
The 36 generally lists piston assembly, valves, bearings, water pump parts and front end/steering parts---not universally, ( get into Falls and Weidely motors and it gets skimpy) but for a surprising amount of makes both there and gone, It also has numerical lists which give a low price interchange guide,,My 40/41 I can't comment on as it's lost in the pile somewhere.. also have a 1932 which has a much more limited information spread,, which, like the 40, I ssek2wldom use because the 36 primarily cover my interest area...
Looks like mt sets getting picky about type style...
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Talk to the Club or other owners---there's something odd in a 39 Victor caralog---'For Chev 4passenger 1915-28 it lists three gaskets--
602 has cur-outs for the side bolts...
602T is "extra thick",,,
562 has web flanges---the gasket goes around the side holes...-
A note says " 602 and 562 are interchangeable. No 602 is standard but 562 is somtimes preferred...", but doesn't say why----to avoid embarrassing Chev "'cuz one leahs???
And why an extra rgik gasket---to cover head/block surface irregularities???
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Here's a better list of cars/trucks using various models Lyc's that have Clubs/Groups I know of that might have info re' Lyc parts sources---
Amer LaFrance and Ward LaFrance (fire eqpmt---fire truck sites)
Auburn, Checker and Henney Cabs (Txicab sites), Diamond T (site moribund, facebook group,) Elcar, Fageol, Henney again for funeral cars, Kissel and Paige,
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Finally dug out some parts catalogs...
Good news re' your KB is that the whole K series---looks like K, KA, KB, KC, KM and KN---all take the same piston assembly and same valves...also the same bearings, altho all appear to be poured (no inserts)...
NOTE that the rod bearing caps are shown as a type "....with two large drilled oil holes as used in
Internatio nal Trucks...".
The less than good news is that Lyc parts are not hat easily obtained...
There's a fair list of profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers on justoldtrucks--in their Restoration Parts and Services (?? or something similar) section...
NOTE II---My Lyc file has never been indexed correctly---a quick eyeballing shows good penetration for the K and KB, little or nothing for the rest (my info mostly form old engine parts catalogs so highly incomplete0...
Only Cub I see is Gardner, which used a "K"...will review and post if I see anything else I know has a Club or Group that may know of parts sources,,,
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Don't always remember to follow this forum, so missed original postings--
Had not heard before that any of the K series Lyc's---K, KA, KB, KM and perhaps more--had the potmetal oil pumps--- had understood they were limited to the C series ( CE, CF, CH, CT, CTM, CUWM and perhaps more) oil pumps, and not all of them (and not the C4, C4W and C4WM, a different C series)...
If engine apart , would appreciate advice whether oil pump potmetal or cast iron..
<any thxx!!!! Bud
NOTE: I may've spoken too soon re' the C4 etc...
My 1930 McCord lists the CE, CF, CH, CT with one set of gaskets, and lists the the C4 separately, as if a different engine, with just its own head gasket---there's no tie to the other Cs, no other gaskets for the C4 for a comparison, no listing for C4W or CUWM...
However, my 38 Victor catalog lumps all of them together, as if all part of obne engine series except for the separate head gasket for the C4 (and presumably the C4W and CUWM,)so they might have potmetal pumps too...
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If nor already in the machine shop, you might try
Hudson-Assex-Terapieces Club---1917-24 Super 6 used that King Pin...as well as
Paige1929-25 666,670, 1729; 1922 2124 2 whl brk 6cyl (Graham Club includes Graham-Paige and Paige)
Peerless 1916-19 56, 8cyl
The same Pin and bushings fir Timken axles 1216, 1218 and 1250..
That axle series was used in a number of trucks, including Diamond T (website dead? but active Facebook group), Fageol and Federal ...19 names in all, and not a complete list
All from a 1936 King Products catalog (engine and some front end parts)...
CORRECTION--Scratch the Diamond T; they did use 1200 series axles bu not ours...
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Might as we;ll jump in here---\
Pretty well downsized now, making up inventory of what's still here (paper, very few brochures, none old)
But do see (hard to miss) ex-library hardbound issues of Power Wagon, full years 1918, 1919, 1920...wts probably 10 lbs 1918, 12 or so 1919/20...
Had then 30-40 yrs, never noticed any cuts/missing pages (had some later ones that looked like swiss cheese!!)...
Not sure won't have them buried with me, just enail pitybud@q.com if of interest, can keep you in mind for whenever...no obligation, not everyone likes old trucks, limited market...
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In trying to get a group together to defray costs of fabbing , it might help to post which cars that head should fit...looks like could be 20 to part of 192323 Light Six, EJ, EM models and possibly Light Six EM balance of 19231923...BUT I don't have a head gasket listing for any of those models...
There were some internal changes in 1923 at engine # 16009...looks like heavier wrist pin and valve changes, which could indicate engine update maybe affecting head......
Are the two Stude groups (Stude Owners abd Stude Drivers Clubs still sepaate groups??
NOTE: I don't know why that catalog (1930 McCord) doesn't show this engine---it lists a 1918-19 4 ctl, a 1918-26 Big Six and a 1919-20 Special Six ...was this Light Six very .low production, or was it, like P&Hs engine, something they don't like to talk about??
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The Gardner people with the Lyc "C" series engines, some of which came with pot metal oil pumps,, can pass along more horror stories...
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Of those similar engines, the 8,10,17S may be less alike, theyre 27/8, while the 14, 15, 16, 18, 21, 26S's, the R800, S800, S805 are the 3", all sharing piston assemblies and some valves (don't have bearing info)...
Interesting point 38 Victor catalog says Blackhawk ( for 1929 (only 8 listed in that catalog) came with 15S, while 1930 and 1941 McCords list the L8 1929-30 with the 16S...maybe Cont'l shopped both??Always fascinating to rummage thru these old incomplete and not always reliable catalogs...
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In addition to those listed earlier, one of R800 , 14/15/16/18/21S engines awe apparently ised in the Reo 821 vand 835 in 1931-32...
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There are (were?) several fire truck sites--haven't been in them awhile, have to put them back on list---alfowners, spamfaa or similar, should come up in Googl if you haven't already tried them...
1917 ring catalog shows two 1916 engines--51/4 and 61/4 bores---use same rods???
With sumpathy, Bud
OOPS---just noted discrepancy, but 33 catalog shoes 53/4 and 63/4, motors...
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It might help your search if you post the Delco starter # and/or any number on the reduction unit if separate, as same setup may've been used on other such engines in other makes...
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Nothing in Kaiser yet
The Traveler was their station wagon...split trunk lid, top falf raised, botton half dropped down horizontal..
Nice rigs; had a 49 3-door. Actually 4dr std body but spare mounted on left rear passenger door which was welded shut/locked in place...Believe 51 was yaer of body change, in those believe spare nder floor...
Companion Frazer was the Vagabond, if memory serves
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On the question of similar engines, can say a 1930 McCord gasket catalog lumps 8S, 10S, 11S, 15S, 16S and 17S under one list of gaskets...one head gasket, manifold gaskets listed "prior to 1928" and "1928-29"...limited number listed, no front covers, no oil pans...remember 1930 catalog so 1929 may be latest info at time of printing...
Jordan reportedly used 8SA (variation not in catalog) 14S, 15S, 17S...Moon 15S, so could be some invaluable experience there ...
OOPS---thought to look at a 38 Victor...noticed my 11S above was typo for correct 14S, ans Vic added 18S and 21S...
Had better gasket list, and CHANGES:
Manifolds 1926 (first few engines), 1926-27 and 1928 up...
Cyl water jacket for 8SK-304 variation,,,
(SighSigh)Valve cover set for 16SK-304 variation (SK vehivles not ID'd)...
Sigh...I'm showing my age...Locomobile used the 10 and 15, Peerless the 15--more experience..
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Uo may be lucky on the 6N...
While looking for something else unearthed a 24 catalog I'd misplaced...it says your 6N was also in the Jordan M, which my Std Cat shows as 1920-21...maybe tha Jorfan Club will have someone familiar with it...
1932 Chrysler CP8 valve spring flutter
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Concur and sympathize with the above....sometimes +Universal" works, sometimes it don't---certainly on a straight 8 its a logical place to look...