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should go well in Greg's museum
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50 minutes ago, californiamilleghia said:
most owners do not sign up for the Non-op when they park a car with intentions of getting it running "soon"
"soon" turns into years and the back fees start adding up ,
So is there a trick to register a car that has sat for 5-10 years without a Non-op and cut down the back fees ?
you have to reference the 4604(d)3 and have a clerk, manager or regional office that is either familiar with it or will look it up. Many times they are not familiar with it and try to tell you it has to have been already registered as such with the antique plate. Not true. This is becoming more difficult as the old timers in the DMV system have retired and interpret it differently. Bottom line is if it is 25 years old or older, of historic significance and you qualify as a collector as described in their statue, you should qualify for the exemption.
I too have never had to pay back penalties due to this but am finding it more and more difficult to relay the same level of understanding of the applicable statutes to hobbyists and especially more difficult to find DMV personnel that are willing to see it the same way.
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I would be interested to see what all parts you have. Where are you located?
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you posted under the Chrysler club news so you would be better off posting under the Chrysler products general heading. As far as your LeBaron, I would imagine the best place to find one is a wrecking yard. I see them in the Pick N Pull yards and Pull A Part yards here in CA.
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Go to chryslerclub.org to register online.
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For news, events and discussion about all things to do with the Chrysler Club aka WPC Club aka Walter P Chrysler club. Originally founded in the San Fransisco bay area in 1968 by Norm Fry. Now an international club with regions on many continents. All Chrysler products and affilliates.
Bill Adams Jr
Oakdale, CA
WPC Club President
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5 hours ago, TexRiv_63 said:
I have a 66 Monaco wagon and would be glad to answer any questions. I have found the best source for all kinds of info is the "For C Bodies Only" online forum at Welcome to For C Bodies Only Mopar Forum | For C Bodies Only Classic Mopar Forum.
It is a typical forum in regard to accuracy of information but it is quite busy and great for researching, looking at photos, etc. The full size Mopars are great overbuilt cars that are still a bit of a secret in the car hobby, the 66 Monaco is a fine choice but of course I am prejudiced!
Absolutely stunning wagon Don.
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There are a few clubs. The oldest and largest Mopar club is the WPC or Chrysler Club with regions all over the US, Europe and OZ. www.chryslerclub.org is the website. Or feel free to reach out and I'll provide as much info as possible. I recently sold a 66 Chrysler and still have a few extra skirts that should also work on the Monaco but I would need to check the parts book to make sure. There is also a facebook group for mid 60's Chrysler products. Reach out either in a message on here or email to chryslerclubwest@gmail.com or call me 209-402-6167
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8 hours ago, SparkEE said:
Same glass for all models of 1939 Chrysler.
You can find the business on eBay that refaces old glass, or will sell a flat glass of the correct size with correct face on it.
They do come up from time to time, in case you are wanting an original.
Yes, I have seen that advertised. Actually it is the guages side that is broken in the corner. I hope to find and original piece and will send to that business for refacing when I do
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I guess I won't email him then. Thanks for the heads up. Sure would like to locate some 39 Chrysler parts though
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Looking for glass for speedometer on 1939 Chrysler Royal Windsor. May be the same glass for all models. Just need the glass in any condition as long as complete.
Located in central CA
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Hi Terry,
If you still have the 57-58 Plymouth service manual and the 39 Chrysler supplement, I'll take them. Please figure shipping to
10933 Eaton Rd
Oakdale, CA 95361
Let me know and how you want the money. thank you
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Interesting this thread popped up after a 13 year hiatus. We just re-acquired our Royal Windsor Hayes coupe after selling it in 1989. There are 12 documented survivors thus far of the original 1,000 allegedly made in 39. Anyone know of any others?
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sorry, my mistake. you had it at 40.00 not 20
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Will be parting out over the course of the next couple weeks and whatever is left will go to scrap unfortunately. Let me know what you may need
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Ready to sell parts. What are you interested in?
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89 TC for parts with many extras. 400 obo and delivery included within 80 miles of 95361. Can store up to a month after completed sale. Willing to consider just selling some of the parts but would like to have it all go at once. I had 3 TC's and enjoyed driving 2 of them. This one and the extra parts I collected as I came upon them. I do have a title for this one. Many extra parts from a burgundy TC found in a wrecking yard a few years back. Extra headrests in nice shape, extra carpeting, windows and motors, seat motors, 2 complete Teves brake units, extra stainless, dash parts, all glass in car is good, extra glass, rear taillight with emblem, air boxes for T2 motor, speakers, 2 computers for T2, extra mirrors, extra grill, console with pad. Make me an offer on car or parts, preferably all of it. Bill 209-402-6167
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What DMV office did you go to and is your vehicle insured as a collector car? A 73 Van can certainly qualify but we want to be certain we are in line with the spirit of the statute. What do you intend to use the van for?
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Agreed there are some inconsistencies in the code and many other "oddities". Why is a 16 cylinder car specifically mentioned or some other opposing descriptions. Per Jack, that happened after the DMV staff wrote the statutes and some wanted to allude to their cars(someone apparently had a Cadillac or Marmon). I sure do miss Jack but call Mona occasionally to say hi. Though I did get his Travco that he used to get one of his Pierce-Arrow's from back east and has a picture of it in Buffalo in front of the factory in the book written about him.
When I first started doing this, I asked Jack what the original intent was and then reviewed what I interpreted the statutes meaning to be with a few of the higher ups with the DMV. I still have the email chain from our agreed upon mutual interpretation and have had to refer new DMV staffers to it since the original ones have retired. So I have what I believe is a great basis for being insistent and consistent with the application of these statutes.
Have had no issues with any LEO on these interpretations either. Thankfully, those of us with old cars are not typically profiled as a bad element types. We do need to ensure this is not too broadly interpreted and abused though IMHO.
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Updated links for this code use.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=4604.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=5004.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=5051.
The DMV has continued to be less and less inclined to interpret this properly and each person is subjected to the whims of the field office or the clerk. However, if you can decipher these correctly and remain calm and respectful but insistent, you will prevail every time. I am not responsible for your efforts to use or mis-use this code. All I can say is that if used in the above stated manner, it will work. I have been used and abused, to put it mildly, since I have posted this as an aid to my fellow collectors in attempting to find some sanity in this states approach to their own code.
I will continue to help those I can but the moment you become a disrespectful ass or expect me to assist you beyond this general info for free, I will leave you to it.
Bill
Oakdale
209-402-6167
xdmn@yahoo.com
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On 8/25/2017 at 11:06 AM, cahartley said:
Sold for 49,500
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I have not posted here in a while. However, this continues to be very important. I am a director with the Association of California Car Clubs and Collectors. www.acccdefender.org We are THE watchdog organization for all car folks in CA and have been since 1971 when we were concerned that CARB would be overstepping it's authority, among other things. We can assist when citing this code or applying it. Most DMV clerks are unaware of it or unclear with how it is supposed to be applied. When presented properly, we have never lost a case where the vehicle is supposed to be exempt by statute from non op fees. As long as it has not been on the road, there should be no penalties.
We are also reviving the discussion and legislation on moving the smog exemption up to 1980 in CA. Let us know if you would like to get involved please. Will need all the help we can get. Hope to be able to get SEMA on board as well. Seems like a good time to promote this since every classic car enthusiast should be engaged with regards to what the recent re-interpretation by the EPA of altering your own vehicle.Bill Adams
xdmn@yahoo.com
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Hopefully these links will work
V C Section 4604 Nonoperated Vehicles
V C Section 5004 Vehicles of Historic Value
V C Section 5004.5 Pre 1943 Motorcycles
The first link is the rule that anything that fits within certain guidelines as described in the subsequest links are exempt from filing non-op's and thus are exempt from back penalties. Basically anyone that is a car collector and what ever cars you may want to say are going into your collection. Even includeds parts cars. A few times we have had DMV offices that refused to comply once a car person pointed it out but we were victorious in every case because we have contacts at the top in CA DMV and were able to override them. And boy does that feel good.
Looks like I need to update the links on this as the CA DMV has changed the web address or something.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d3/c1/a5/4604
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d3/c1/a8/5004
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d3/c1/a8.3/5051
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I have used the section of the vehicle code cited but the first poster. It saved about $300 in back fees. In fact, I got a refund from the DMV because the friendly DMV lady observed that I had overpaid (paid the penalty) and she realized that the cited section of the vehicle code would apply. On the other hand, just recently I tried to cite that section of the vehicle code when completing the registration of a 1976 Gremlin which had been in my garage, hangar and back yard for over ten years. The DMV clerk denied my attempt, but the resulting fees still were not too expensive so I did not protest.
You have to make the same argument each time as you are always going against the grain on this. Every time I can convince a collector to stick to their guns on this, we win as the code is on our side. Please contact me via this forum or at xdmn@yahoo.com and I will help you with this.
FS 75 Front bumper Medallion
in Chrysler Automobiles and Parts - Buy/Sell
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Would this be similar to or the same as a 77 bumper emblem?